Mark Carney heads to Beijing, China, marking the first time in 8 years a Canadian Prime Minister sets foot in the country. The trip comes as Canada juggles Chinese canola tariffs and a seriously fractured US trade relationship. Host Noor Azrieh sits down with Vina Nadjibulla and asks if it's even possible to play nice with China? Or whether this whole trip is a waste of time. Plus, we hear from Kelly Ann Shaw, a key architect of the Trump administration’s trade, investment, energy and national security policies in his first term, about the future of CUSMA.

Host: Noor Azrieh

Credits: Aviva Lessard (Senior Producer), Sam Konnert (Host/Producer), Noor Azrieh (Host/Producer), Caleb Thompson (Audio Editor and Technical Producer), Max Collins (Director of Audio) Jesse Brown (Editor), Tony Wang (Artwork)

Guests: Vina Nadjibulla, Kelly Ann Shaw

Background reading:

This will be the real test of Mark Carney’s visit to China – The Globe and Mail
Carney heads to Beijing as Trump’s America First agenda forces Canada into trade rethink – The Guardian
Small majority of Canadians want more trade with China: Ipsos poll – Global News
Canada-U.S. trade relationship ‘salvageable’: Former White House trade advisor – CTV News

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Nora Loreto's news headlines for Wednesday, December 10, 2025