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Samo Burja has an encyclopedic mind, is an extremely broad thinker, and was a delight to speak to.

We talk about how great founders are at the core of societal evolution, about bureaucracy, managerialism, the iron law of oligarchy, about building elites and aspirational societies,  about both of us being "children of transition" out of communism, about truth and prestige, the future of anonymity and the fertility crisis.

Samo is a born speaker and a crystal clear thinker, so it was a joy to record this and learn from him.

He is also the founder of Bismarck Analytics & a fellow at the Long Now Foundation. You can find his work at samoburja.com

His chosen subversive thinker is Caroll Quigley, with his book "The Evolution of Civilizations"