192. Momentum VS Perfection: The Biggest Question in Climate Right Now? (Part One)

Welcome to another episode of Outrage + Optimism, where we examine issues at the forefront of the climate crisis, interview change-makers, and transform our anger into productive dialogue about building a sustainable future.

This week Tom Rivett-Carnac introduces the first of his two-part series on Momentum vs Perfection by looking at the different theories of change within the climate movement and asking if and how they can co-exist to drive the level of scale and action needed in this decisive decade.

He is joined on this complex and emotive journey by guest co-host Fiona McRaith, Manager of Engagement & Delivery and Special Assistant to the President & CEO at climate philanthropy fund Bezos Earth Fund. Fiona brings a (significantly younger) Gen Z perspective to this thought-provoking discussion.

Our co-hosts speak with a series of esteemed guests on this timely and important question, including: 

• Helen Pankhurst, Senior Advisor at international humanitarian agency CARE International, women’s rights activist, and the direct descendant of Emmeline Pankhurst and Sylvia Pankhurst, both leaders in the suffragette movement 

• Author, educator, environmentalist, and Co-Founder of international environmental organization 350.org, Bill McKibben 

• Environmental activist and Co-Founder of global environmental movement Extinction Rebellion, Gail Bradbrook

• Jerome Foster II, Co-founder of Waic Up and youngest member of the White House Environmental Justice Advisory Council 

• Director of mission-driven consulting firm Reos Partners,  Adam Kahane

• Previous Director of Strategy for the Cabinet Office for COP 26 (the United Nations’ annual climate conference) Charles (Charlie) Ogilvie 

Don’t miss Part One of this incredible and timely conversation, including insights from previous movements, generational collaboration, the value of civil disobedience, the role of data and measurement, and whether agreement between sides is necessary for advancement.

And be sure to look out for the final episode of this mini-series next week, in which our co-hosts, with the help of their guests, will hopefully draw some conclusions to help guide us in these crucial years.

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