Burnout isn’t a sign you’re failing. It’s proof the system was never designed for you to thrive. Especially if you belong to a historically oppressed identity.

In this episode, Sarah talks with Amelia Nagoski, DMA—co-author of Burnout: The Secret to Unlocking the Stress Cycle—about what burnout really is, how to recognize it, and the ways we can begin to recover. Together they explore why rest is radical, why emotions are meant to be completed like cycles, and why true healing comes through collective care—not just individual fixes.

You’ll hear:

How burnout differs from stress and exhaustion
Why “emotions are tunnels” and what happens when we get stuck inside them
The science behind the 42% rest rule—and what rest can actually look like
Why the cure for burnout isn’t self-care, but us caring for each other
Practical tools to complete the stress cycle and return your body to safety

More on Amelia Nagoski

Amelia Nagoski, D.M.A. (it stands for Doctorate of Musical Arts) is the co-author, with her sister Emily, of the New York Times bestselling Burnout: The Secret to Unlocking the Stress Cycle and the Burnout workbook. Her job is to run around waving her arms and making funny noises and generally doing whatever it takes to help singers get in touch with their internal experience.

She lives in New England with her husband and two rescue dogs.

You can buy Burnout: The Secret to Unlocking the Stress Cycle here: https://bookshop.org/p/books/burnout-the-secret-to-unlocking-the-stress-cycle-amelia-nagoski-dma/3d6275d2844732a6?ean=9781984818324&next=t

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