Psychoanalysis & You Ep. 11 Trauma, Performance Anxiety, and the Healing Power of Music, with Julie Nagel

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Dec 4, 2024

Julie Jaffee Nagel, a clinical psychoanalyst and Juilliard-trained pianist, discusses the healing power of music in addressing trauma and performance anxiety. She shares how her personal experiences shaped her career, exploring the intricate ties between music, identity, and mental health. The conversation delves into the therapeutic benefits of music, revealing its impact on emotions and memory, and how self-awareness can aid in overcoming public speaking fears. Nagel highlights the evolving dynamics of therapeutic relationships, including acceptance of non-traditional models.

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ANECDOTE

Early Trauma and Music

Julie Nagel's early piano playing was linked to her father's absence.
Her first memory slip, at age six, evoked feelings of shame and being unheard.

ANECDOTE

Juilliard and Anxiety

Despite achieving her dream of attending Juilliard, Nagel experienced emotional angst and performance anxiety.
Her teacher's reassurance, while supportive, added pressure.

INSIGHT

Performance Anxiety and the Unconscious

Performance anxiety stems from deeper emotional issues, not just musical technique.
Nagel helps musicians understand the layered, unconscious roots of their anxiety.

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Psychoanalysis & You is an APsA podcast about psychoanalysis and everyday life hosted by Dr. Gail Saltz.

We explore the intricacies of psychoanalysis under the guidance of our host, Gail Saltz. Founded in 1911, the American Psychoanalytic Association (APsA) is the oldest national psychoanalytic organization in the nation. APsA is committed to being a professional membership organization for psychoanalysts, psychoanalytic psychotherapists, academics, researchers, students, and other interested people – all whose work is profoundly informed by psychoanalytic theory and values, and to supporting their education and continuing professional development. Our Host Our host, Dr. Gail Saltz, is best known for her work as a relationship, family, emotional wellbeing, and mental health contributor in the media where she is a go-to expert for commentary on the mental health aspects of current/breaking issues and news. She is a bestselling author of numerous books. She serves on the public information committee for the American Psychoanalytic Association and for The Group for the Advancement of Psychiatry. Explore more episodes here.

Our Guest for Episode 11

Julie Jaffee Nagel, Ph.D. is a clinical psychoanalyst who integrates her education in music and psychoanalysis. Curious about her stage fright as a performer, she pursued her education beyond 2 degrees from Juilliard. After earning her MSW, MA (psychology) and Ph.D. in both psychology and social work from the University of Michigan she graduated from the Michigan Psychoanalytic Institute. She treats numerous musicians (and others) for performance anxiety and career choice. Her 3 books integrate music’s value in mental life (Melodies of the MInd, Rougledge), Managing Stage Fright (Oxford University Press), and Career Choices in Music Beyond the Pandemic (Rowman and LIttlefield) which she presented at Juilliard. Dr. Nagel promotes creative outreach beyond the consulting room and concert hall and gives presentations at psychoanalytic institutes, music organizations, and the general public. She Chaired the ApsaA Discussion Group “Psychoanaltic Perspectives on Music” for 14 years, presented her original 2- person fantasy theater piece “A Conversation Between Freud and Mozart” at Steinway Hall in New York (2020), and showed the documentary “For the Left Hand” ( 2023 ) in the historic State Theater in Ann Arbor, Michigan. Awards include Nautlus Book Award, Distinguished Service Award from the National Conference on Keyboard Pegagogy, Ticho Award, Karl Menninger Award (ApsaA), and the Nathan Segel Award from MPI. Her work is endorsed by Joseph Polisi, President Emeritus Juilliard, Arnold Steinhardt, First Violin Guarneri String Quartet, Pianists Leon Fleisher, Pianist and Ruth Slenczynska,, Gary Ingle, CEO Music Teachers National Association (ret). She was interviewed by Harvey Schwartz (Psychoanalysis On and Off the Couch), Gail Saltz (Psychoanalysis and You) and others. Recent presentations include #Me Too; Understanding Oppression, Injustice, and Intolerance Through Music (TAP); Memory Slip: Stage Fright and Performing Musicians (JAPA). Julie Jaffee Nagel is in private practice in Dexter, Michigan, Website: julienagel.net Find 'Psychoanalysis & You' on your favorite podcast platform! https://apsa.org/podcast #APsApodcast