

The Last Voyage—A conversation with Brian McLaren
Jul 27, 2025
Brian McLaren, a prominent author and advocate for progressive Christianity, joins the discussion to explore his new novel, which imagines a future mission to Mars amid Earth's collapse. He addresses the complexities of maintaining relationships despite differing worldviews, emphasizing curiosity as an act of love. The conversation touches on the transformative power of the 'dark night of the soul' and the evolving nature of religion, balancing tradition with modern challenges. This reflection is a reminder that growth is possible even in uncertain times.
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Imagination Powers Prophetic Vision
- Prophets reveal bitter truths and inspire visions of a better future.
- Imagining a destination is essential because nothing happens until it's imagined first.
Brain Hemisphere and Worldviews Tension
- Human tensions exist between analytical/rational and artistic/spiritual worldviews.
- These contrasting perspectives shape individual minds, cultures, and relationships.
Beyond Binary Good and Bad
- Reality is complex; good and bad are never absolute categories.
- Moving from binary good/bad to helpful/harmful or beautiful/ugly offers a more accurate understanding.