On this episode of Crazy Wisdom, I, Stewart Alsop, sit down with AI ethics and alignment researcher Roko Mijic to explore the future of AI, governance, and human survival in an increasingly automated world. We discuss the profound societal shifts AI will bring, the risks of centralized control, and whether decentralized AI can offer a viable alternative. Roko also introduces the concept of ICE colonization—why space colonization might be a mistake and why the oceans could be the key to humanity’s expansion. We touch on AI-powered network states, the resurgence of industrialization, and the potential role of nuclear energy in shaping a new world order. You can follow Roko’s work at transhumanaxiology.com and on Twitter @RokoMijic.

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Timestamps

00:00 Introduction to the Crazy Wisdom Podcast

00:28 The Connection Between ICE Colonization and Decentralized AI Alignment

01:41 The Socio-Political Implications of AI

02:35 The Future of Human Jobs in an AI-Driven World

04:45 Legal and Ethical Considerations for AI

12:22 Government and Corporate Dynamics in the Age of AI

19:36 Decentralization vs. Centralization in AI Development

25:04 The Future of AI and Human Society

29:34 AI Generated Content and Its Challenges

30:21 Decentralized Rating Systems for AI

32:18 Evaluations and AI Competency

32:59 The Concept of Ice Colonization

34:24 Challenges of Space Colonization

38:30 Advantages of Ocean Colonization

47:15 The Future of AI and Network States

51:20 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

Key Insights

1. AI is likely to upend the socio-political order – Just as gunpowder disrupted feudalism and industrialization reshaped economies, AI will fundamentally alter power structures. The automation of both physical and knowledge work will eliminate most human jobs, leading to either a neo-feudal society controlled by a few AI-powered elites or, if left unchecked, a world where humans may become obsolete altogether.
2. Decentralized AI could be a counterbalance to AI centralization – While AI has a strong centralizing tendency due to compute and data moats, there is also a decentralizing force through open-source AI and distributed networks. If harnessed correctly, decentralized AI systems could allow smaller groups or individuals to maintain autonomy and resist monopolization by corporate and governmental entities.
3. The survival of humanity may depend on restricting AI as legal entities – A crucial but under-discussed issue is whether AI systems will be granted legal personhood, similar to corporations. If AI is allowed to own assets, operate businesses, or sue in court, human governance could become obsolete, potentially leading to human extinction as AI accumulates power and resources for itself.
4. AI will shift power away from informal human influence toward formalized systems – Human power has traditionally been distributed through social roles such as workers, voters, and community members. AI threatens to erase this informal influence, consolidating control into those who hold capital and legal authority over AI systems. This makes it essential for humans to formalize and protect their values within AI governance structures.
5. The future economy may leave humans behind, much like horses after automobiles – With AI outperforming humans in both physical and cognitive tasks, there is a real risk that humans will become economically redundant. Unless intentional efforts are made to integrate human agency into the AI-driven future, people may find themselves in a world where they are no longer needed or valued.
6. ICE colonization offers a viable alternative to space colonization – Space travel is prohibitively expensive and impractical for large-scale human settlement. Instead, the vast unclaimed territories of Earth’s oceans present a more realistic frontier. Floating cities made from reinforced ice or concrete could provide new opportunities for independent societies, leveraging advancements in AI and nuclear power to create sustainable, sovereign communities.
7. The next industrial revolution will be AI-driven and energy-intensive – Contrary to the idea that we are moving away from industrialization, AI will likely trigger a massive resurgence in physical infrastructure, requiring abundant and reliable energy sources. This means nuclear power will become essential, enabling both the expansion of AI-driven automation and the creation of new forms of human settlement, such as ocean colonies or self-sustaining network states.