On this week’s episode, Clay and Preston have a heart-to-heart chat with Rodney Little, a UX/UI designer who wants to build an audience-first business.

But Rodney, a side-hustler with a full-time job, has been kicking this idea around in his mind for a whopping five years—so in this episode, Clay and Preston call him out. They dive into what’s been holding him up and what it’s really going to look like to build an audience-first business.

It’s a very personal conversation for Preston especially—since his business began when he started a small design blog—and this episode features some of Preston and Clay's best advice for starting and growing an audience-first business like a blog or a podcast.

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