In this bitesized episode, Clemmie explores happiness, or maybe contentment....or should that be joy? Either way, her guest is one of her mum's faves, and two-time Brit award winner Will Young.

Will shot to fame in 2002 after winning the first series of Pop Idol. He has released seven albums, four of which hit Number One in the UK charts, and he has 10 million record sales and two Brit Awards to his name.

But that's just the tip of the iceberg. Will is a leading voice in mental-health awareness. His highly acclaimed book 'To be a Gay Man' explored mental-health awareness, particularly within the LGBTQ+ community with a focus on gay shame. He has a podcast - ‘The Wellbeing Lab’ - where he interviews experts on different mental health topics each week, AND his second book ‘Be Yourself Only Happier’ was released last year - when this conversation took place!

In this episode Clemmie finds out what makes Will happy and what steps he's taken in his life to ensure he stays that way. Plus they do not talk about dry stone walling.

Find Clemmie on Instagram @Clemmie_Telford and Will @willyoungofficial, and get more podcast content @butwhy_podcast.

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BUT WHY BITESIZE - HAPPINESS WITH WILL YOUNG