How Degrowth Will Reshape Technology w/ Jason Hickel
Jun 27, 2024
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Jason Hickel discusses how technology in a degrowth society would prioritize collective welfare over profit. They explore the urgent need for sustainable production and the contrasting approaches of green growth vs. degrowth scenarios. The conversation highlights challenges in decarbonization, rethinking production for a democratic economy, and addressing global North-South disparities in energy consumption.
Democratic control over technology in a degrowth society aligns production with social needs.
Degrowth advocates prioritize technology for societal well-being over corporate profits.
Shifting towards a degrowth society requires reevaluating measures of progress and promoting ecologically beneficial production.
Deep dives
Promoting Democratic Control Over Investment and Production
Organizing productive forces democratically is essential for a proper democratic economy. This involves giving democratic control over investment and production to the people, which would allow for the reorganization of production in a way that aligns with social priorities and needs.
Rethinking Technology in a Degrowth Context
In a society embracing degrowth, the role of technology becomes a focal point. The discussion revolves around the stance on technology among degrowth supporters, who seek to leverage technology for societal well-being rather than corporate profits. Degrowth advocates emphasize the need to embrace specific technologies that serve humanity and promote collective flourishing.
Challenges in Transitioning Towards a Degrowth Society
Transitioning towards a degrowth society poses challenges and critiques, particularly around the concept of growth and GDP as measures of progress. The necessity to differentiate between beneficial and harmful forms of production highlights the need to shift towards socially and ecologically beneficial modes of production.
Addressing Energy Use and Decarbonization
Reducing total energy use is crucial for effective decarbonization efforts. Higher energy use complicates rapid decarbonization, making it necessary to scale down energy-intensive production activities and focus on energy efficiency improvements. Balancing energy demands between high-income nations and the global south is vital to achieving rapid decarbonization in an equitable manner.
Global Justice and Anti-Imperialism in Degrowth
Degrowth extends beyond an ecological agenda, encompassing global justice and anti-imperialist perspectives. The redistribution of resources and redirection of productive capacities from rich countries to the global South is crucial for addressing disparities and promoting local development. Degrowth serves as a tool for rectifying global inequalities and advocating for economic liberation and sovereignty in the periphery.
Paris Marx is joined by Jason Hickel to discuss how technology would change in a degrowth society and why it doesn’t make sense to organize society around profit and infinite expansion.
Jason Hickel is the author of Less Is More: How Degrowth Will Save the World. He’s also a Professor at the Institute for Environmental Science and Technology at the Autonomous University of Barcelona and a Visiting Senior Fellow at the International Inequalities Institute at the London School of Economics.
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The podcast is made in partnership with The Nation. Production is by Eric Wickham. Transcripts are by Brigitte Pawliw-Fry.