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#289 - DARPA Scientist on Intelligent Life, The Universe, God & AI | Lee Cronin

Apr 1, 2025

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Lee Cronin

Lee Cronin, a leading scientist merging physics and biology, delves into fascinating topics like the intricacies of artificial intelligence and its misconceptions. He discusses the importance of embracing change in scientific inquiry and why being wrong can lead to breakthroughs. Cronin explores the relationship between life and intelligence, the implications of assembly theory, and critiques both AI optimists and doomers. He also touches on climate change solutions and philosophical questions about the universe, offering a captivating blend of science, curiosity, and existential pondering.

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ANECDOTE

Train Set Experiment

At age eight, Lee Cronin bypassed his train set's transformer, connecting it directly to the mains.
The resulting surge launched the train into the ceiling and tripped the fuses.

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ADVICE

Encourage Disobedience

Encourage intellectual disobedience and independent thought within your team.
Don't discourage experimentation unless it breaks rules or is unsafe.

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INSIGHT

Early Education

Lee Cronin was placed in remedial classes throughout his schooling, despite a deep interest in science.
He pursued his scientific curiosity independently, acquiring tools and chemicals for experiments.

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Embracing Change and Curiosity

01:35 • 16min

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Challenging Conformity in Academia

17:23 • 18min

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Navigating the Boundaries of Science and Knowledge

35:21 • 19min

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From Origins to Intelligence

54:41 • 9min

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Understanding AI: Myths and Realities

01:03:44 • 24min

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Human Intelligence vs. Artificial Intelligence

01:27:23 • 28min

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Exploring the Multiverse and Consciousness

01:55:50 • 24min

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Navigating Technology, Energy, and Mental Health

02:19:51 • 6min

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Managing CO2 and Embracing Innovation for a Greener Future

02:25:55 • 2min

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Navigating Information in the Digital Age

02:27:42 • 2min

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Exploring Assembly Theory and the Nature of Time

02:29:23 • 26min

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The Interdisciplinary Clash: Time, Theory, and Academic Challenges

02:55:45 • 4min

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Navigating Assembly Theory and Intelligence

02:59:17 • 13min

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Exploring Consciousness, Technology, and the Value of Critical Thinking

03:12:20 • 3min

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Exploring Evolution, Assembly Theory, and Drug Discovery

Henri Bergson's "Time and Free Will" is a philosophical work exploring the nature of time, consciousness, and free will. Bergson challenges the mechanistic view of time prevalent in his era, arguing for a more intuitive and dynamic understanding of duration. He contrasts this with the spatialized, measurable time of science. The book delves into the relationship between consciousness and action, arguing that free will is not an illusion but a fundamental aspect of human experience. Bergson's ideas have had a significant impact on philosophy, psychology, and literature, influencing various schools of thought, including existentialism and phenomenology. His work continues to be relevant in contemporary discussions about consciousness and the nature of time.

Matter and memory

Henri Bergson

Henri Bergson's 'Matter and Memory' delves into the relationship between consciousness, memory, and the material world. Bergson challenges traditional views of memory as a static storehouse of information, proposing instead a dynamic, evolving memory that shapes our perception of reality. He explores the role of perception in action, arguing that we perceive only what we can act upon. The book's central theme is the interplay between the material and the mental, emphasizing the active role of consciousness in shaping our experience. Bergson's ideas have influenced various fields, including psychology, neuroscience, and philosophy.

Darwin's Dangerous Idea

Evolution and the Meanings of Life

Daniel C. Dennett

In 'Darwin's Dangerous Idea', Daniel C. Dennett defends and expands upon Darwin's theory of evolution, describing natural selection as a mindless, mechanical, and algorithmic process. Dennett argues that this 'dangerous idea' challenges traditional views of design and purpose, suggesting that complex life forms can arise without the need for a designer. He critiques various philosophical and scientific theories, including those of Noam Chomsky, Stephen Jay Gould, and Roger Penrose, and discusses the implications of evolutionary thinking on ethics, morality, and human culture. The book also introduces concepts such as 'skyhooks' and 'cranes' to explain resistance to Darwinism and the role of memes in cultural evolution.

Superintelligence

Paths, Dangers, Strategies

Nick Bostrom

In this book, Nick Bostrom delves into the implications of creating superintelligence, which could surpass human intelligence in all domains. He discusses the potential dangers, such as the loss of human control over such powerful entities, and presents various strategies to ensure that superintelligences align with human values. The book examines the 'AI control problem' and the need to endow future machine intelligence with positive values to prevent existential risks.

life as we don't know it

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Sara Imari Walker's "Life as We Don't Know It" delves into the possibilities of life beyond Earth, exploring the diverse forms life could take in different environments. Walker challenges traditional assumptions about what constitutes life, examining the potential for life based on different chemistries and physical conditions. The book explores the implications of astrobiology for our understanding of life's origins and evolution, highlighting the potential for life to exist in ways we have not yet imagined. Walker's work emphasizes the importance of interdisciplinary collaboration in the search for extraterrestrial life, combining insights from physics, chemistry, biology, and computer science. The book offers a compelling vision of the vast possibilities for life in the universe.

(***TIMESTAMPS in description below) ~ Lee Cronin is a world-renowned scientist focused on bridging the gap between Physics and Biology via Chemistry. He has been involved in Top Secret DARPA projects (much of which he cannot discuss publicly). Lee is also well known for crafting "Assembly Theory" with theoretical physicist, Sara Imari Walker.

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****TIMESTAMPS****

00:00 - Lee Cronin’s Scientific Method, Creationist Hate Lee

08:20 - Understanding How Universe Works

19:00 - Lee Describes Himself as Anarchist

30:11 - Why It’s Important to be Wrong (Albert Einstein)

41:30 - Science in Advancements

52:53 - AI Takeover Breakdown, Complete Universe Breakdown

01:00:01 - AI Doomers are Wrong

01:12:29 - AI Optimists are ALSO Wrong, FB BS AI Chat

01:20:51 - The AI Medic vs Human Doctors, Elon is Wrong

01:27:04 - How Does Instinct Work

01:41:21 - Why We Are NOT in a Simulation, Instinct is Intelligence

01:51:03 - Sam Altman Should have a Real Job, ChatGPT

02:03:47 - Does Lee Believe in God

02:13:21 - Science vs Religion Debate

02:25:19 - Lee on Climate Change & Increase CO2 & Future Implications

02:28:38 - What is Time?

02:39:27 - Lee Working with Sarah, Assembly Theory

02:56:03 - Lee & Sarah’s Paper on Assembly Theory Work

03:09:49 - Are We Alone? Chemputer

CREDITS:

- Host & Producer: Julian D. Dorey

- In-Studio Producer & Editor: Alessi Allaman - https://www.youtube.com/@alessiallaman

Julian Dorey Podcast Episode 289 - Lee Cronin

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