Shaun Chamberlin is the founder of Dark Optimism, a not-for-profit, research and activist organization that is positive about the kind of world humanity can create while being realistic about how far we have to go to create that future.

Shaun was also one of the first Extinction Rebellion arrestees, is the co-author of the book, Surviving the Future: Culture, Carnival and Capital in the Aftermath of the Market Economy, and serves as Executive Producer of the film, The Sequel: What Will Follow Our Troubled Civilisation?

In this podcast episode, Shaun sheds light on why the pursuit of endless economic growth is fundamentally incompatible with supporting continued life on earth; what it means to recognize the different layers of reality that people exist in today (i.e., the reality of economics and politics vs. the reality of physics and the environment); and more.

Featured music: Mountain Twin by Joel Porter

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