Shannon O’Leary – Relationship Capital Investing at St. Paul & Minnesota Foundation (EP.435)
Mar 10, 2025
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Shannon O’Leary is the Chief Investment Officer of the St. Paul & Minnesota Foundation, managing $1.8 billion with a focus on community impact. She discusses the power of relationship-driven investing and candid communication. Shannon shares her transition from for-profit to philanthropy, emphasizing trust-building after staff changes. She reveals insights from bringing her daughter to manager meetings, highlighting the value of diverse perspectives. Lastly, she navigates the challenges of private market investing and outlines her personal aspirations.
Shannon O'Leary advocates for a relationship-driven investment strategy, emphasizing the importance of strong communication across various stakeholders to foster trust.
Her personal experiences, particularly with her father's dementia, shape her direct communication style, reinforcing the necessity for clarity in investment discussions.
O'Leary's shift to an internally led decision-making framework aims to heal team dynamics while navigating economic challenges and opportunities in private markets.
Deep dives
Shannon O'Leary's Investment Philosophy
Shannon O'Leary emphasizes a relationship-driven approach to investing at the St. Paul and Minnesota Foundation. She highlights the importance of strong communication across various stakeholders, including families, boards, and investment managers. This commitment to frank communication helps foster transparency and trust, allowing for easier discussions around policy-setting and manager selection. By prioritizing these relationships, O'Leary believes the foundation can effectively allocate capital to achieve its mission of social impact.
Navigating Personal Experiences in Investment
O'Leary's personal history, especially her father's battle with dementia during her formative years, has significantly shaped her investment mindset. This experience instilled a profound awareness of mortality that influences her direct and unapologetic style of communication. She believes that life’s brevity requires being straightforward in investment conversations, ensuring clarity around expectations and potential outcomes. This perspective reinforces her approach to building not just financial strategies, but also meaningful relationships in investment settings.
The Evolution of the St. Paul Minnesota Foundation
Upon joining the St. Paul Minnesota Foundation, O'Leary faced the challenge of healing fractured relationships within the investment team and broader organization. Her strategy entailed shifting from a consultant-driven model to an internally led framework that encourages team collaboration. This included restructuring governance practices to facilitate better decision-making among board members and stakeholders. By doing so, O'Leary aims to create an environment where investment discussions are inclusive and productive, ultimately enhancing the foundation's effectiveness.
Innovative Interview Techniques for Manager Evaluation
O'Leary employs unique strategies to ensure effective communication during manager interviews, including involving diverse perspectives in the conversation. For example, her experience bringing her daughter to manager meetings provided unexpected insights into how managers communicate and present their strategies. This shift in dynamic prompted clearer language and more engaged discussions, allowing for more authentic assessments of potential partners. By leveraging these approaches, O'Leary enhances her ability to differentiate between managers and identify those suitable for long-term partnerships.
Adapting to Economic Changes in Investment Strategy
O'Leary is acutely aware of the challenges posed by economic fluctuations, particularly concerning commitments in private markets amidst rising interest rates. She observes that the current environment presents both difficulties and opportunities, such as increased access to capacity-constrained managers. This necessitates a more agile decision-making process within the foundation, shifting from traditional consent models to more proactive engagement. By maintaining a focus on building relationships and understanding market dynamics, O'Leary aims to position the foundation effectively for future investments.
Shannon O’Leary is the CIO of the St Paul & Minnesota Foundation, where she oversees $1.8 billion for the community foundation that aspires to create an equitable, just, and vibrant Minnesota. Shannon took the post six years ago after twenty years working with families. She describes herself as ‘blunt,’ comfortably speaking her mind, including in her LinkedIn newsletter entitled ‘Say It Out Loud’.
Our conversation covers Shannon’s relationship-driven approach to investing across families, Boards, team members, and managers. We discuss the value of frank communication in every aspect of the investment process, from setting policy to manager access, research, selection, and partnership.