Tom Sachs’s sculptures, often recreations of modern icons using everyday materials, are conspicuously handmade; lovingly cobbled together from plywood, resin, steel, and ceramic. The scars and imperfections in the sculptures tell the story of how it came into being and remove it from the realm of miraculous conception. His studio team of ten, functions like a teaching hospital or cult, that worships plywood and an ethos of transparency. Friends for over two decades, he and Zuckerman discuss making as meditation, making the best of limited resources, output before input, what surprises him, the existential abyss, and his secret weapon to being an artist.