The Bulwark Podcast David Frum: Trump and Epstein Were Best Friends
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Dec 19, 2025 
David Frum, a political commentator and author, dives into the controversial friendship between Trump and Jeffrey Epstein, revealing how it reflects Trump's character. He discusses the chaos in MAGA media, highlighting infighting among rightwing influencers and their desperate responses to economic turmoil. Frum also critiques recent SCOTUS rulings that encourage corruption, warns about the risks posed by cryptocurrency, and evaluates the military strategy toward Venezuela, emphasizing a lack of coherent planning.
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Epstein Reveals Trump’s Character
- David Frum asserts Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump were long-standing friends who shared depraved interests.
- Frum says Epstein's influence reveals Trump's character rather than creating new mysteries.
Distractions Fail In Bad Economy
- Frum argues the 'flood the zone with shit' tactic fails when the economy worsens and voters focus on pocketbook issues.
- He says Trump lacks the truthful message of admitting policy mistakes and promising fixes.
Admit Mistakes And Offer Fixes
- Use clear, simple messaging rather than desperate statistical flourishes when trust is eroded.
- Acknowledge mistakes plainly and present concrete remedies to regain credibility.