This is a special one-off episode in which the tables are turned — Ocean Kiani interviews Jonny and leadership coach Ben Ward.

We discuss how the training has evolved over time, including some of the teaching philosophies and experimental mindset that underpin everything we do, as well as explore the profound impact that nervous system work has had on our lives.

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Learn More About Ocean + Ben

Ocean Kiani, alongside helping Jonny grow + run Nervous System Mastery, is a somatic movement practitioner, writer, and movement coach. Connect with Ocean on: oceankiani.substack.com
Ben Ward is an experienced leadership & organisational coach who partners with leaders and teams to navigate complexity, grow people, and unlock breakthrough progress. Connect with Ben on: explore-change.com

🫁 Episode Sponsor — Nervous System Mastery

This is my flagship 5-week bootcamp designed to equip you with evidence-backed protocols to cultivate calm and emotional regulation. Our 8th cohort will run in Fall 2025 ~ and applications are currently open. My sense is that if this conversation resonates with you, then you'd likely be a great fit for our upcoming cohort. This curriculum represents my attempt to distill everything I've learned in recent years about creating the conditions for our nervous system's flourishing. It's run in an intensive cohort-based way since this is, in my experience, the most efficient way to embody and practice the protocols.

Previous students have shared how partaking improved their sleep and quality of relationships and tapped into deeper states of joy, clarity, and confidence in their lives. We've had over 1000 students have completed this training, and many have said that it has been the most impactful thing they've ever done for their personal growth — so if you're intrigued at all, you can find more details and apply to join this year's cohort over at nsmastery.com

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Round 1, Extra Turn: "The Resistance: Avalon" strategy deep dive and "Underwater Cities" mini-review with Paul, Tom and Trey