
The Joe Rogan Experience #1521 - Josh Dubin & Jason Flom
Aug 6, 2020
Josh Dubin, an Innocence Project Ambassador and wrongful conviction advocate, teams up with Jason Flom, CEO of Lava Media and justice reform champion. They dive deep into the systemic flaws of the criminal justice system, discussing the profound impact of the war on drugs and showcasing heartbreaking stories of the wrongfully accused. Their conversation emphasizes the need for ethical reform, challenges the reliability of forensic evidence, and explores resilience among those who have faced wrongful imprisonment. Awareness and activism in these areas are crucial for real change.
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Flom's Introduction to Advocacy
- Jason Flom's advocacy began after reading about Stephen Lennon's harsh sentence for cocaine possession.
- Flom helped secure Lennon's release and subsequently dedicated himself to criminal justice reform.
Dubin's Introduction to Advocacy
- Josh Dubin's involvement started with Barry Scheck's call for help on Christopher Ochoa's case.
- Ochoa falsely confessed to a crime after police coercion, leading Dubin to dedicate his career to fighting wrongful convictions.
Julius Jones Case
- Julius Jones, an Innocence Project client, faces execution despite the actual killer's confession and an all-white jury with a racist juror.
- This highlights systemic racism and flaws within the justice system.

