U.S. Representative Peter Meijer (R-MI) was three days into the job when rioters broke into the Capitol building. A week later, he was one of the few members of the Republican party to vote to impeach Trump for his role in inciting the riot. Seven months later, Meijer would love to focus on policy — but in his day-to-day life and work he's still dealing with the fallout from the "original sin" of election denialism and the dual realities dividing our country.

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On the agenda:

-Why we wanted to talk to Peter Meijer (despite his being a politician) [0:00-6:50]

-From a politics of persuasion, to a politics of coercion [8:01-20:33]

-January 6: The wake-up call that wasn't [20:34-34:11]

-The future of American Imperialism [34:12-39:15]

-Blindspots on the left and right [39:16-40:51]

Uncertain Things is hosted and produced by Adaam James Levin-Areddy and Vanessa M. Quirk. For more doomsday ruminations, subscribe to: uncertain.substack.com.