
Christians Reading Classics C.S. Lewis - The Great Divorce with Dr. Leslie Baynes
Oct 16, 2025
Dr. Leslie Baynes, an Associate Professor of New Testament and expert on C.S. Lewis, dives into the enduring relevance of 'The Great Divorce.' She discusses the nature of classics and the profound themes of choice and divine grace in Lewis's work. The conversation reveals how Lewis's relationships and experiences, especially during WWII, shaped his writing. Dr. Baynes also highlights exciting insights from her forthcoming book about Lewis's biblical influences, making connections to modern readers. This exploration showcases the timeless messages that resonate today.
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What Makes A Classic
- A classic endures because you can reread it repeatedly and discover new meaning each time.
- Dr. Leslie Baynes finds The Great Divorce reveals fresh connections across decades of reading and teaching.
Sister Penelope's Influence
- Sister Penelope Lawson wrote Lewis a fan letter and then became a long-term correspondent and biblical guide.
- Baynes recounts how Lewis relied on her Hebrew knowledge and dramatic counsel about symbolism.
Prep By Reading The Weight Of Glory
- Read Lewis's essay The Weight of Glory before The Great Divorce for clearer theological context.
- Baynes recommends pairing the essay with the book to grasp Lewis's prose and themes.
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Intro
00:00 • 1min
Why The Great Divorce Endures
01:18 • 12min
What Was Lewis Doing Before 1945?
13:26 • 11min
What Is The Great Divorce About?
24:33 • 4min
How Does Theosis Shape the Book?
28:38 • 4min
Which Vignettes Illustrate Free Will?
32:51 • 8min
How Did Readers React in 1945?
41:18 • 1min
Why Read The Great Divorce Today?
42:43 • 3min
What Inspired Your New Lewis Book?
45:15 • 5min
How Did Women Influence Lewis?
50:15 • 4min
Which Classic Would You Have Liked to Write?
54:07 • 4min
Outro
58:07 • 10sec
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Between Interpretation and Imagination, C.S. Lewis and the Bible
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Dr. Leslie Baynes
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E.M. Forster's A Room With A View
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E. M. Forster
'A Room with a View' by E.M.
Forster tells the story of Lucy Honeychurch, a young Englishwoman navigating love and societal expectations during a trip to Italy.
While in Florence, Lucy experiences a kiss from the unconventional George Emerson, challenging her repressed emotions.
Back in England, she becomes engaged to the socially acceptable but uninspiring Cecil Vyse, representing the constraints of Edwardian society.
The reappearance of George forces Lucy to confront her true feelings and choose between conformity and genuine happiness.
Through vivid descriptions of Italian landscapes and nuanced character portrayals, Forster explores themes of personal liberation, social class, and the transformative power of love.
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Athanasius of Alexandria's treatise on the incarnation
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The Allegory of Love


C.S. Lewis

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The Company I Keep
My Life in Beauty

Leonard Lauder
In *The Company I Keep: My Life in Beauty*, Leonard A. Lauder shares business and life lessons learned while transforming his mother's small business into a global prestige beauty company.
The book offers insights into the growth of the beauty industry and Lauder's experiences navigating fierce competition and economic challenges.
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The Personalist Heresy
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Kevin Vanhoozer

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• Mentioned in 101 episodes
The Screwtape Letters


C.S. Lewis
The Screwtape Letters is a Christian apologetic novel written in a satirical, epistolary style.
It consists of 31 letters from Screwtape, a highly placed assistant to 'Our Father Below' (the Devil), to his nephew Wormwood, a novice demon tasked with securing the damnation of an ordinary young man.
The letters provide advice on various methods of undermining God's influence and promoting abandonment of God, while offering insights into human nature and the Bible.
The book is a profound and striking narrative on spiritual warfare and the power of the devil, highlighting the subtle forms of sin such as vanity, pride, and distraction that can lead humans away from God.

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The Weight of Glory


C.S. Lewis

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• Mentioned in 184 episodes
Mere Christianity


C.S. Lewis
In 'Mere Christianity', C.S.
Lewis argues for the existence of God and defends Christian theology.
The book is divided into four parts: the first argues for the existence of God based on the 'law of human nature'; the second defends Christian theology, including the 'Liar, lunatic, or Lord' trilemma regarding Jesus Christ; the third explores Christian ethics, including the cardinal and theological virtues; and the fourth discusses the Christian conception of God, particularly the Holy Trinity.
Lewis also addresses topics such as free will, morality, sexual ethics, and the institution of marriage.
The book is known for its clear and logical presentation of Christian apologetics and has been praised for its straightforward and humorous writing style.
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Bandersnatch

SA McNally
Bandersnatch, in the context of this podcast, refers to a book that explores the history and interactions of the Inklings, a group of writers associated with the University of Oxford, England.
This group included notable authors such as C.S. Lewis, J.R. R.
Tolkien, and Charles Williams.
The book likely delves into the dynamic relationships between these authors, examining how their shared interests in literature, mythology, and theology influenced their individual works.
The Inklings are known for their collaborative spirit, often reading and critiquing each other's manuscripts.
The book 'Bandersnatch' is a resource for those interested in the Inklings' profound impact on modern literature and fantasy.

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• Mentioned in 28 episodes
The Problem of Pain


C.S. Lewis
In 'The Problem of Pain', C.S.
Lewis addresses the age-old question of how a good and all-powerful God can permit pain and suffering.
Lewis argues that human suffering is a consequence of the existence of evil and free will, and that God uses suffering as a tool to draw us nearer to Him. He categorizes pain as both physical and emotional, serving as a warning signal that alerts us to potential harm and compels us to make necessary changes.
Lewis also discusses the Fall of Man and how it led to chaos and disaster, emphasizing that God's goodness is not negated by suffering but rather evidenced through His merciful intervention.
The book concludes by reassuring that God's wisdom is infinitely superior to ours and that pain eventually leads us back to a loving relationship with our Creator.

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A Pilgrim's Regress
An Allegory


C.S. Lewis
A Pilgrim's Regress is an allegorical novel by C.S. Lewis, published in 1933.
It follows the journey of John, a young man who encounters various philosophical and religious viewpoints.
The novel uses allegory to explore the nature of faith, reason, and the Christian worldview.
It's considered an important work in Lewis's development as a writer and thinker, though less widely read than his later works.
The book's exploration of spiritual and intellectual journeys resonates with readers interested in apologetics and Christian thought.

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The Great Divorce


C.S. Lewis
In 'The Great Divorce', C.S.
Lewis presents an allegorical narrative where souls from a gray, dreary town (representing hell) are given the opportunity to visit heaven.
The story follows the narrator and various ghosts as they encounter spirits in heaven, engaging in dialogues that reveal the nature of their choices and the reasons they remain in hell.
The book emphasizes that hell is a self-imposed state, and individuals choose to remain there due to their inability to let go of their earthly attachments and sins.
Through these encounters, Lewis explores themes of redemption, the afterlife, and the importance of spiritual choices, underscoring that true joy and salvation are available to those who seek them sincerely.

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The Chronicles of Narnia


C.S. Lewis

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• Mentioned in 36 episodes
That Hideous Strength

C. S. Lewis
Published in 1945, 'That Hideous Strength' is the final book in C.S.
Lewis's Space Trilogy.
The story takes place on Earth and follows the character Mark Studdock, a young sociology faculty member at Bracton College, as he becomes entangled with the National Institute of Co-ordinated Experiments (N.
I. C. E. ), a sinister organization with totalitarian ambitions.
The novel delves into themes of faith, doubt, and the struggle between good and evil, featuring characters from the previous books in the trilogy, including Elwin Ransom.
It critiques the dangers of logical positivism and the erosion of moral values, drawing parallels with other dystopian works like George Orwell's '1984'.
Nadya Williams and Dr. Leslie Baynes explore the works of C.S. Lewis, particularly focusing on 'The Great Divorce.' They discuss the definition of a classic, the significance of free will, and the themes of choice and divine grace in Lewis's writing. The conversation also touches on Lewis's influences, his relationships with women, and the timeless messages found in his works that resonate with modern readers. Additionally, Dr. Baynes shares insights about her upcoming book on Lewis and the Bible.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to C.S. Lewis and His Works 02:47 Defining a Classic: The Enduring Nature of Literature 05:51 The Impact of C.S. Lewis's Works on Readers 08:46 C.S. Lewis's Life and Influences During WWII 11:57 The Great Divorce: Themes and Symbolism 14:51 Understanding Theosis and Its Significance 17:34 The Role of Language and Beauty in Lewis's Writing 20:48 The Evolution of Lewis's Poetry and Literary Style 22:47 The Lasting Legacy of C.S. Lewis 31:24 Theosis and Divine Reality 34:08 The Vignettes of The Great Divorce 37:26 Free Will and Self-Reflection 42:11 Universalism vs. Predestination 44:23 Timeless Lessons from The Great Divorce 47:11 Exploring Lewis's New Book 56:05 Literary Influences and Personal Connections