How the Mirror World Distorts Our Reality w/ Naomi Klein
Jan 4, 2024
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Naomi Klein joins the podcast to discuss the problems of personal branding on social media, the left's response to the pandemic creating an opening for the right, and the fight over the roots of Western society. They explore the concept of the mirror world, the shift towards right-wing ideologies and conspiracy theories, the role of technology in radicalization, and the importance of alternative narratives.
The conspiratorial right distorts narratives about technology to fit their agenda and co-opt issues traditionally associated with the left.
Technology and social media's role in the popularity of far-right ideas is due to the business model and commodification of the self on these platforms stemming from capitalist enclosure and privatization.
Despite challenges, hope lies in collective action, challenging dominant narratives, and connecting struggles and forms of oppression to envision a just and inclusive future.
Deep dives
The mirror world narrative distorts critiques of technology
The podcast episode discusses how the conspiratorial right has taken narratives about technology and distorted them to fit their agenda. They project collective surveillance fears onto specific apps or platforms, creating a story that removes the broader critiques of capitalism and privatization. While the left focuses on the harmful incentives and profit-driven nature of tech platforms, the conspiratorial right emphasizes the narrative that these platforms are part of a plot, such as bringing the Chinese Communist Party's social credit system to the United States. This distortion allows the right to co-opt issues traditionally associated with the left and project their own simplified vision of justice.
The role of technology in the rise of the far right
Technology and social media play a significant role in the popularity and proliferation of far-right ideas. The podcast highlights two competing perspectives: one that blames evil tech platforms for pushing people down rabbit holes and radicalizing them for profit, and another that recognizes the larger material factors that make people seek out alternatives. The host and guest argue that it is the business model and commodification of the self on these platforms that are key factors, with the podcast emphasizing that this stems from capitalist enclosure and the final frontier of privatization.
The impact on mainstream politics
The influence of conspiratorial right-wing narratives is seen in mainstream politics worldwide, with governments and parties adopting some of their ideas. This includes the rise of far-right parties in parliaments and the alignment of centrist corporate parties with harmful policies, such as the alliance of Western governments with Israel's genocidal campaign in Gaza. This alignment challenges the traditional pitch of 'vote for us to prevent fascism' as liberal politicians stand with repressive governments. The implication is that hope in the short term is difficult, especially during the next wave of elections, as the left faces significant challenges.
Hope lies in solidarity and the search for alternative narratives
Despite the challenges, hope can be found in the unprecedented levels of solidarity and principled truth-telling emerging around the world. People are rising up to challenge dominant narratives and connect the dots between different struggles and forms of oppression. The podcast argues that an alternative story is emerging, one that recognizes the long history connecting various forms of colonialism, oppression, and injustice. Survivors and activists are pushing for truth and justice, engaging with stories that reveal the logic behind these interconnected struggles. While the battle of narratives continues, hope lies in collective action and envisioning a future that includes everyone and challenges systemic inequities.
Reckoning with horror while looking forward
The episode urges listeners to reckon with historical horrors, such as the Holocaust and colonialism, while envisioning a future that is just, inclusive, and beautiful. It recognizes the challenges of looking back and confronting painful truths but emphasizes the importance of doing so. The host and guest stress the need to connect historical struggles with present-day movements for justice and create a vision for a better world. Without this holistic approach, forces of forgetting and distortion may prevail. It concludes that both reflection and forward-thinking are essential for addressing the crises we face and building a more equitable future.
Paris Marx is joined by Naomi Klein to discuss the problems with personal branding pushed social media, how the left’s insufficient response to the pandemic created an opening for the right, and the fight over the roots of Western society that will shape our future.
Naomi Klein is an award-winning journalist, New York Times bestselling author, and a columnist with The Guardian. She is the founding co-director of the UBC Centre for Climate Justice and Professor of Climate Justice at the University of British Columbia. Her newest book is Doppelganger: A Trip Into the Mirror World.
Tech Won’t Save Us offers a critical perspective on tech, its worldview, and wider society with the goal of inspiring people to demand better tech and a better world. Support the show on Patreon.
The podcast is produced by Eric Wickham. Transcripts are by Brigitte Pawliw-Fry.