Depression is, to put it bluntly, a big bag of dicks. And it’s equally a bag of dicks for those watching someone they love go through it; something which international bestselling author Amanda Prowse knows all too well, having watched her son Josh suffer from such severe depression that he planned to take his own life.

We're often told it's good to talk and it's okay to not be okay – both cracking bits of advice – but it’s not always that easy in practice. And so Amanda and Josh found a new way to communicate, which not only helped them to help Josh and keep going through the most heartbreaking situations, but also got them thinking about how sharing their experience could help others. Cue The Boy Between: A Mother and Son's Journey From a World Gone Grey, a book co-authored by Amanda and Josh, detailing their experiences of Josh’s depression and how it affects the lives of those who dearly love him.

In this Chops, Amanda tells our Mickey all about the book, how it came about and where she and Josh are at now.

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SIM Ep 448 Chops 187: Amanda Prowse and The Boy Between