

Words Matter: Welcome to a Government Shutdown Only A Mussolini Could Love
Oct 3, 2025
In this riveting discussion, political scholar Norm Ornstein breaks down the unprecedented government shutdown, labeling it both illegal and indecent. He analyzes how Trump’s approach targets blue states and critical projects, while Republican leaders remain complicit. Ornstein highlights the Supreme Court's role in enabling abuses and raises alarms about voter suppression tactics. Emphasizing the importance of government services and public education, he warns of the threats to free elections. Tune in for an insightful look at these critical issues.
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Shutdown Framed As Illegal Power Play
- Norman Ornstein says the shutdown actions are indecent, illegal, and incompetent and target blue states unfairly.
- He warns agencies are canceling contracts and firing employees unlawfully during the shutdown.
Raids That Traumatized Families
- Norman Ornstein describes ICE and FBI raids where agents allegedly broke down doors and traumatized children during enforcement actions.
- He calls the scenes among the most appalling he's seen in his lifetime in America.
Quiet Complicity Of Congressional Leaders
- Norman Ornstein argues congressional leaders like John Thune and Mike Johnson enable Trump's excesses despite privately knowing better.
- He says their public cooperation makes them complicit in indecent actions.