Ian Hogarth is an entrepreneur, investor and public intellectual - well known as the author of "AI nationalism" and co-creator of the State of AI report.

In this conversation, we talk about the geopolitics of AI: how does AI change the way that nation states compete and how do we avoid a dangerous race to the bottom dynamic? We also look at the state of the art in machine learning and explore how Ian thinks about AI as an investment thesis.

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