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Disarming Christian Nationalism (with Pastor Caleb Campbell)

Aug 3, 2024

Caleb Campbell, an evangelical pastor and author, takes us on a riveting journey from being a neo-Nazi to advocating for love and understanding among Christian Nationalists. He discusses the complex relationship between belief and belonging, illustrating how faith communities can drive transformation. Caleb and Curtis dive into the challenges pastors face navigating political landscapes, emphasizing the need for compassionate dialogue rather than division. They inspire listeners to engage with those holding different views, fostering hope in a polarized world.

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Quick takeaways

Caleb Campbell's transformation from a neo-Nazi to an evangelical pastor underscores the powerful role of community in shaping ideological beliefs.

Understanding the emotional needs for belonging and identity reveals why individuals gravitate towards Christian nationalism and similar ideologies.

Pastors face significant challenges in navigating political tensions within congregations, highlighting the importance of compassion and inclusiveness in their leadership.

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Understanding Christian Nationalism

Christian nationalism is defined as a political ideology that combines Christianity with national identity, leading to questions about its impact on society. The episode explores the multifaceted nature of Christian nationalism, including its definitions, followers, and its possible influence in elections. A key aspect discussed is how it shapes relationships within communities, particularly the emotional need for belonging and identity that draws individuals to such ideologies. The episode emphasizes the importance of understanding these dynamics when engaging with individuals who identify as Christian nationalists.

Intro

3min

From Extremism to Faith

23min

Exploring the Complexities of Nationalism

5min

Christian Nationalism vs. Democratic Pluralism

20min

Navigating the Political Landscape in Modern Christianity

4min

Navigating Politics in Pastoral Leadership

8min

Encouragement and Community Reflections

2min

Host Curtis Chang sits down with Pastor Caleb Campbell, author of the new book Disarming Leviathan: Loving Your Christian Nationalist Neighbor. Caleb shares his powerful journey from disenfranchised young churchgoer to neo-nazi, and ultimately, his transformation into an evangelical pastor with a desire to reach adherents of Christian Nationalism. Together, Curtis and Caleb explore how our friends and neighbors become entangled in the worship of nationalism and political power and offer practical steps for inviting these individuals into meaningful relationships that foster hope and change.

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REFERENCED IN THIS EPISODE:

Rich Mullins' Song: Sometimes By Step

Galatians 6:1-2 NIV

Tim Keller: Preaching to the Collective Heart (blog post)

Pete Scazzaro's book: Emotionally Healthy Spirituality