The Church Politics Podcast Red States Outpacing Blue States in Education
Oct 14, 2025
Hannah Heck, an attorney and founder of a public policy advocacy firm, joins the hosts to unpack David Brooks' insights on K–12 education. They dive into how red states are surpassing blue states in educational outcomes and examine the effects of screens and gamified learning on children's character development. The conversation also highlights the disconnect between rising graduation rates and poor literacy, while discussing the need for inclusive educational programs. Finally, Hannah touches on the intersection of faith and political implications in educational policy.
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Equity Without Rigor Can Worsen Outcomes
- David Brooks argues that lowering standards in pursuit of equity can increase inequality in student outcomes.
- The decline in achievement since 2008 is linked to screens and reduced rigor, especially for disadvantaged students.
Screens Undermine Deep Learning And Character
- Hannah Heck highlights screens and gamified learning as harming attention and character formation.
- She contrasts quick digital rewards with long-term skills like learning violin that build patience and endurance.
Violin Example Shows Long-Term Growth
- Hannah recounts her third-grade daughter's slow violin progress to show value of delayed gratification.
- The moment she first played the bow rewarded months of patient practice and built durable character.
