John Hadden, author of "Conversations with a Masked Man: My Father, the CIA, and Me," discusses his father's role in investigating Israel's nuclear bomb program, the theme of truth and deceit in their lives, reflections on covert activities and intelligence work, the impact of the Cold War on families, the destructive nature of war, and their personal project working with their dad on a book.
Insight into a CIA operative's work against the Soviets and investigation of Israel's nuclear bomb program.
Impact of growing up in a CIA family and the importance of keeping children out of the dark.
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John Haddon's Memoir and Conversations with His CIA Father
John Haddon joins Spy Talk to discuss his memoir, 'Conversations with a Masked Man,' which delves into his complex relationship with his father, a career CIA Cold War operative. Haddon shares verbatim transcripts of intimate conversations with his father, offering insights into his father's work against the Soviets and his role in investigating Israel's nuclear bomb program. Haddon recounts his father's candid views on intelligence work, his disdain for covert actions and assassinations, and his belief that a high moral ground is essential for trust and effective intelligence gathering. Haddon reflects on growing up in a CIA family, the challenges of living in a world of secrets, and his own rebellious anti-war activism.
The Deception and Lying in a CIA Family
Haddon discusses the impact of growing up in a CIA family where secrets and deception were prevalent. He reflects on his own habit of lying, often trying to avoid trouble, and acknowledges the confusion and moral ambiguity created by his father's role as a diplomat/spy. Haddon shares that his father never explicitly revealed his CIA work to him, but there were subtle clues and discussions about politics that hinted at his true occupation. Haddon believes that keeping children in the dark about such matters is better to protect their vulnerability and avoid potential risks.
The Israeli Nuclear Bomb Program and CIA Operations
Haddon explores his father's role in gathering intelligence on Israel's clandestine nuclear bomb program. He discusses how his father investigated the program and identified the exact source of highly refined uranium. Haddon shares anecdotes, such as a memorable family picnic near the nuclear reactor at Dimona, where his father collected shrubs to measure radioactivity. He highlights the secrecy and tension surrounding the Israeli program, revealing how the Israelis kept their activities hidden from the Americans. Haddon's father expresses disdain for covert actions and emphasizes the importance of building trust through honest dialogue.
The Destructive Nature of Power and the Human Experiment
Haddon delves into his father's critical views on the misuse of power and intelligence agencies. His father reflects on the damage caused by covert actions, assassinations, and the lack of trust they generate. Haddon shares his own concerns about the destructive nature of power and the damaging impact it has on the world. He discusses his personal journey as a theater director and writer, focusing on themes of power and the misuse of it. Haddon comments on the need for humanity to transcend its destructive tendencies and embrace principles of love, care, and appreciation for life.