Enjoy Joel Jamieson in his first guest appearance. From the corner at UFC championship matches to your ears, Joel shares his expertise in conditioning and heart rate variability(HRV). We discuss Joel's 2009 classic book Ultimate MMA Conditioning and the plans for a new book. We talk in depth of energy system training for MMA fighters and how Joel's work can be applied by coaches for the general population. Joel rounds out the discussion with his thoughts on spectacles like Logan Paul fighting Floyd Mayweather.