Sounds Strategic IISS Shangri-La Dialogue 2025: Reflections
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Jun 6, 2025 
Meia Nouwens talks with Veerle Nouwens, Executive Director of the IISS Asia, and Morgan Michaels, a Research Fellow on Southeast Asian Security. They delve into pivotal moments from the recent Shangri-La Dialogue, including US Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth’s redefining ambitions for the Indo-Pacific. The trio discusses President Macron’s call for enhanced European-Asian ties and Malaysian Prime Minister Anwar Ibrahim's plea for global cooperation to maintain international stability. They also highlight security dynamics concerning Pacific Island states and the Myanmar crisis.
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US Commitment to Indo-Pacific
- U.S. Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth declared the Indo-Pacific a priority and signaled America's long-term commitment.
- He emphasized peace through strength, burden sharing, and deterrence, especially countering China’s ambitions.
Macron's Strategic Autonomy Vision
- French President Macron advocated for strategic autonomy emphasizing Europe's choice to build independent capabilities.
- He saw Europe as a third way between US-China competition and called for stronger Europe-Asia alliances.
Anwar Ibrahim on Cooperation
- Prime Minister Anwar Ibrahim emphasized cooperation over conflict and rejected spheres of influence in Asia.
- He warned against global fragmentation and promoted openness and habit-forming cooperation for regional stability.