We've spent a lot of time over the past couple of years reassuring ourselves that our kids would be okay, that we were doing our best, that we'd get them through this, that there could even be silver linings. But it's important to take stock of the costs to our children, as well, because they were considerable.

Today's guest, Anya Kamenetz is the author of several acclaimed books on learning and the future, including The Art of Screen Time: How Your Family Can Balance Digital Media and Real Life, and The Test: Why Our Schools Are Obsessed With Standardized Testing, But You Don’t Have To Be. Her latest book is The Stolen Year: How Covid Changed Children's Lives, and Where We Go Now.

In this episode, Anya, Amy, and Margaret discuss:

Why Anya says the United States got pandemic schooling "more wrong" than other wealthy countries
How "years of neglect and bad faith" in public education contributed to what happened after our abrupt shift to remote schooling
How we can create something better for the future

Here's where you can find Anya:

http://www.anyakamenetz.net/

Instagram: @anyakamenetz

Twitter: @anya1anya

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