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Ed Luce is the US national editor and columnist at the Financial Times.
In this week’s conversation, Yascha Mounk and Ed Luce discuss the electoral toll of Trumpism; why Democrats who focus on identity politics fare poorly at the polls; and whether Ron DeSantis poses as great a threat to democratic norms and institutions as Donald Trump.
This transcript has been condensed and lightly edited for clarity.
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