The Munk Debates Podcast Munk Dialogue with Sarah Paine: the rise of the Russia-China axis
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Feb 22, 2024 Experts discuss the rise of the Russia-China axis and its threat to global stability. They analyze the aggressive behaviors of Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin, the geopolitical dynamics between the West, Russia, and China, and the importance of the international rules-based order. The dialogue emphasizes the need for strategic responses to prevent a devastating global war in the 21st century.
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Putin's Unlimited War Goals
- Putin's objectives regarding Ukraine appear unlimited, aiming for total annihilation rather than negotiation.
- Limited objectives allow for negotiation, but unlimited goals lead to complete defeat of the adversary.
Sanctions as Long-Term Strategy
- Sanctions reduce a country's growth rate over generations rather than forcing immediate policy change.
- For Russia, the value of Ukraine is existential for Putin but not for the Russian populace.
Flipping the Chessboard Mistake
- The international rules-based order fosters economic growth by avoiding territorial wars through treaties and cooperation.
- Russia and China aim to overturn this order for dominance, which is a strategic mistake.