What Tech Gets Wrong About Disability with Ashley Shew
Dec 13, 2023
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In this episode, Adam Conover speaks with Ashley Shew, author of "Against Technoableism," about the misconceptions and challenges surrounding technology and disability. They discuss how technology should impact the lives of disabled individuals and the tendency to view disability as a problem to be solved. The conversation also explores the definition of disability, the importance of inclusive measures, and the limitations of technology in improving the lives of disabled individuals.
Disability technologies should prioritize the desires and needs of disabled individuals, rather than assuming a one-size-fits-all approach.
Recognizing the diverse and nuanced experiences of disability is crucial for understanding and addressing the needs and desires of disabled individuals.
Challenging ableism and engaging with disabled voices and desires can lead to the development of inclusive technologies that empower and support disabled individuals.
Deep dives
The Problem with Disability Technology
Many disability technologies, such as exoskeletons, are often designed without the input or desires of disabled people in mind. These technologies often assume a one-size-fits-all approach, failing to consider the varying needs and experiences of disabled individuals. They can overlook important aspects like maintenance, cost, and access. Additionally, the marketing of disability technology tends to perpetuate ableist narratives, framing disability as a problem to be fixed rather than recognizing the autonomy and agency of disabled individuals. The focus should shift towards centering the desires and experiences of disabled people and developing technologies that truly meet their needs.
The Zigzag Nature of Disability
Disability is a complex experience that can vary over time and across different individuals. Many disabilities have fluctuating levels of impairment, with good and bad days or periods. However, our society often wants to fit disability into static and predictable narratives, which can lead to misunderstandings and misrepresentations. By recognizing the diverse and nuanced experiences of disability, we can better understand and address the needs and desires of disabled individuals.
The Role of Ableism in Technology
Ableism, the systemic discrimination against disabled people, shapes our understanding of disability and influences the development of disability technologies. Society often places an undue emphasis on fixing disability or erasing it altogether, rather than valuing disabled individuals as they are. This mindset can lead to technology that prioritizes "fixing" disability rather than promoting inclusivity and accommodating diverse needs. By challenging ableism and engaging with disabled voices and desires, we can create technologies that empower and support disabled individuals.
The Importance of Listening to Disabled People
A key point discussed in the podcast is the importance of listening to disabled people when it comes to addressing disability issues and developing technological solutions. Disabled individuals can provide valuable insights and perspectives on their own experiences and needs. By engaging with disabled voices and experiences, we can better understand the challenges faced by the disabled community and work towards more inclusive solutions.
Expanding the Definition of Disability
The podcast also explores the idea of disability being influenced by societal and environmental factors. The social model of disability is discussed, which emphasizes that disabled individuals are not solely defined by their impairments, but also by the barriers created by society. The need for universal design and inclusive practices is highlighted, as well as the importance of recognizing and accommodating the diverse range of disabilities and needs within the disabled community.
Over 34 million disabled Americans, but despite the commonality of having a disability, there's still a social tendency to want to "solve" disability out of view with technology. As useful as robotic limbs or exoskeletons for walking might seem on paper, they don't always consider the practicalities of living with a disability. In this episode, Adam speaks with Ashley Shew, author of "Against Technoableism," about how technology is best suited to make an impact for the disabled and when it's only used to hide disability to make the abled more comfortable.
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