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#275 - CIA "Criminal" Spy Speaks Out for 1st Time | Matthew Hedger
Feb 14, 2025
Matthew Hedger, a former undercover money man for the CIA, sheds light on his thrilling experiences in espionage. He shares wild stories of infiltrating criminal networks, including a motorcycle gang and cartels. Hedger reveals the intricacies of money laundering, tapping into the early use of Bitcoin. He discusses the psychological challenges operatives face, all while mastering the art of communication and deception. Delightfully candid, he also dives into the unorthodox training and ethical dilemmas that define life in the shadows.
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- Matthew Hedger discusses his transition from the NSA to the CIA as a Non-Official Cover operative, emphasizing the shift in operational anonymity.
- He shares insights on the importance of building trustworthy relationships within outlaw motorcycle gangs to establish credibility and access vital information.
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Introduction to Undercover Operations
The episode details the unique experiences of a former undercover operative who infiltrated Mexican drug cartels and motorcycle gangs. At a young age, the operative quickly learned about 'deniable operations,' wherein he operated outside official roles, instead taking on undercover identities to gather intelligence on criminal activities. This involved blending into criminal environments while maintaining a facade that would protect him from exposure. The operative reflects on the challenges of adapting to such a lifestyle while navigating dangerous situations and manipulative individuals.
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