It’s one thing to fight against a heresy, but what about the people caught in its grasp? Caleb Campbell’s new book, “Disarming Leviathan,” argues Christian Nationalism is an idolatrous, anti-Christian movement, but that we ought to take a gentle, loving, and missional posture toward our friends and neighbors following it. Also this week, Ronald Reagan often said America was a shining “city upon a hill.” Derwin Gray joins Skye and Kaitlyn to discuss the phrase, its original context in the Sermon on the Mount, and how Puritan colonists used it very differently than modern politicians. Plus, what’s behind all of the hot A.I. images of Jesus?

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3:18 - Theme Song

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5:52 - Responding to Feedback on Debate Coverage

12:26 - Shining City on a Hill

19:42 - Guiding People Away from Idolatry

30:36 - Perfect Love Casts Out Fear

34:41 - Hot A.I. Jesus

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51:49 - Interview

53:57 - Why did Campbell write about Christian Nationalism?

1:15:15 - Practical Advice

1:23:53 - What About Flipping Tables?

1:33:14 - End Credits

Links Mentioned in the News Segment:

Is America a City on a Hill or a Nation on the Precipice?

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/02/opinion/american-exceptionalism-reagan-biden-trump.html

Hot AI Jesus is Huge on Facebook

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2024/06/hot-jesus-ai/678814/

Other resources:

Disarming Leviathan: Loving Your Christian Nationalist Neighbor by Caleb Campbell: https://www.ivpress.com/disarming-leviathan

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