
Time To Say Goodbye (Not) Reading in the Time of Robots with Celine Nguyen and Leif Weatherby
Dec 17, 2025
Celine Nguyen, an insightful cultural commentator, and Leif Weatherby, a leading voice in digital theory, tackle the decline of reading in the age of AI. They discuss generational shifts in attention and the resurgence of long-form literature amidst modern distractions. Leif delves into the complex interplay between literacy and media, while Celine highlights how online communities foster self-education. The duo also debates the cultural implications of AI authorship, emphasizing the need for deeper engagement with literature in a rapidly changing media landscape.
01:45:31
Reading Versus Literacy
- Reading decline debates conflate reading quantity with deep literacy and attention skills.
- Short-form media increases word exposure but fragments capacity to follow long arguments.
Internet As Discovery Engine
- Social media can both erode attention and create counter-movements craving longform works.
- People use platforms to discover niche authors and self-educate outside elite institutions.
Students With Cameras, Not Phones
- Leif described students carrying digital cameras to avoid phones while still using TikTok knowledge.
- This shows young people's mix of rejecting screens yet deeply inhabiting platform-driven culture.
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Intro
00:00 • 2min
Is nobody reading anymore?
01:40 • 2min
Short-form vs long-form reading habits
03:24 • 2min
Literacy vs reading: quantity and quality
05:32 • 2min
Nostalgia for the canon and its value
07:42 • 3min
Short-form culture and rhetorical decline
10:44 • 2min
Historical panics over media change
13:09 • 3min
Market for intensive liberal arts education
16:13 • 1min
Social media as a reading discovery tool
17:31 • 4min
Internet enabling self-education
21:12 • 5min
Performative learning and cultural influence
26:30 • 3min
Public humanities and grassroots demand
29:21 • 58sec
What LLMs capture: culture not cognition
30:19 • 3min
The rhetorical panic about AI authorship
32:59 • 8min
Credentialism, autodidacts, and platforms
40:39 • 11min
Fandom, love of objects, and criticism
51:10 • 4min
Leif's book thesis: language as cultural AI
55:30 • 4min
GPT-2 moment and genre capture
59:12 • 10min
LLMs reflect biases and cultural sediments
01:09:15 • 6min
Language as a service and commercial pressures
01:14:47 • 4min
Psychoanalytic lens on model safeguards
01:18:25 • 2min
Alignment, control, and cultural scale
01:19:58 • 3min
AI, institutions, and accountability
01:22:45 • 9min
Threats to livelihoods and meaningful work
01:32:08 • 4min
Aesthetic niches humans may retain
01:36:27 • 3min
Authorship disputes and cultural reaction
01:39:35 • 5min
Outro
01:44:43 • 44sec

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Hello!
Today, we have an episode about how nobody can read anymore, AI, humans, and why we’re so afraid of the robots with Celine Nguyen, the great author of the Personal Canon substack, and repeat guest Leif Weatherby, who came by to talk about his book Language Machines: Cultural AI and the End of Remainder Humanism.
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