This is our unabridged interview with Oliver Burkeman.

In an age full of lifehacks, self-help books, and productivity gurus, many of us only end up busier and more stressed than we were before. What if there’s a better way to live a full, fruitful life?

"The world is bursting with wonder,” says Oliver Burkeman, “and yet it's the rare productivity guru who seems to have considered the possibility that the ultimate point of all our frenetic doing might be to experience more of that wonder."

In this episode, he discusses his New York Times Bestselling book 4000 Weeks: Time Management for Mortals, dispelling many contemporary ideas about productivity, and instead suggesting a wonder-fueled, counterintuitive method for flourishing in the world.

Show Notes

Resources mentioned this episode:

"Four Thousand Weeks" by Oliver Burkeman

"The Antidote" by Oliver Burkeman

“A Testament of Devotion” by Thomas Raymond Kelly

Catherine Andrews, "Why You're Going About Recovering from Perfectionism All Wrong"

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PDF of Lee's Interview Notes

Transcript of Abridged Interview

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