Richard Fontaine, CEO of the Center for a New American Security (CNAS) and co-author of No Limits? The China-Russia Relationship and U.S. Foreign Policy, joins the show to discuss Beijing-Moscow cooperation and the prospects of the U.S. driving a wedge between them.

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• 02:05 Introduction

• 02:21 Sino-Soviet split

• 06:20 Spheres of influence

• 09:17 Domination

• 13:20 Stabilizing effect

• 22:15 Xi & Putin

• 28:19 Pacific expansion

• 35:20 More resources

• 41:06 America in, Russians out, Germans down

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