This is a very bad automatically translated audio transcript of the episode: Hello, Malcolm. Hello, Simone. It's wonderful to be here with you today. What are we talking about? We are talking about Reddit, which is one of our favorite places on the internet, even when it hates us, right? Oh no. Is this gonna be one of those ones where you read mean things to me and I have to react? I would love that, honestly.

Sometimes people ping our accounts because they know us, like they know who we are. Yeah. On Reddit. And so I'll get a little email notification. And then there's some really long thread that talks about how we're terrible people. Well I love that, that No, that's great.

Yeah, I personally really enjoy seeing people get roasted online, but I also wonder what those people think about their comments about them. And so I think we're only doing the internet a service by. Offering our thoughts to those who might care to your No, I, I agree. I, I I always want to do one of those, those Bain things when people are like, oh, people are making fun of you online.

Like, are you scared? And it's like, I, I, you know, I was born in the darkness. You, I was born in the cri Yes. Sorry. I, I proposed to her on Reddit. With like brownies and stuff. I love, people are like, they think we have this like elite self image or something. It's like we have been unapologetically nerdy from day one.

I do not know where anyone started calling us Elite elite gamers, maybe as I say, but I don't think yeah. All right, so let's go over these red if thread heads. Well, and it's so context. The Reddit thread that we're going over is one that posted a or show them a picture. You can see like, yeah. So someone posted a screenshot of, I think a tweet about us and specifically a Telegraph article.

That framed us as the elite couples breeding to save mankind. Which is how the telegraph chose to frame our prenatal advocacy. And I think what really got people about that is, By the way, this is their words, not ours. It's not like we show up and like talk to journalists about our S advocacy and we're like, well, we'll only speak to you if you frame us as elites and breeders, as as elite, as an elite couple, as as elite breeders.

I think that we care about prenatal because we think our genes are superior to everyone else's. It like, What that narrative people wanna hear. Right? They don't, they don't wanna actually engage with any of the ideas cuz they may have to change the views on the world. So, oh, God forbid. Yes. So anyway, somebody, let's go, let's go.

Somebody tweeted somebody tweeted this or they posted an image of someone saying, I'm honestly struggling to come up with a joke about this. I'm just super confused. What makes them elite? The fact that they look like nearsighted, parsnips, what am I missing here? The first comment is how are they elite?

And yet they both look 14 and 40 at the same time, which is I guess both a, a compliment and, well, y'all around 40, so. Well, to me it's, it's kind of an insult, right? Because I identify as a 62 year old woman and, you know, they're off by like, you know, quite, quite a few years, but that one's not biting enough.

Let's keep going. Hmm. Well, they say it's all in our clothes that, that we, we dress old. And, and therefore, but I think it's cuz you have a baby face that you look young. Think I have a baby face. I have a youthful face. A youthful, okay. Youthful. Ok. Oh, baby prints should have a bunch of fat on it. Okay.

I have, oh, I have a, a teenager phase. You have a teenager. You have a youthful spring in your step. I think it's low amounts of. You know, if, if, if you, well, that's what someone says here, that we haven't had enough stress in our life to display as grown up as most people perceive it. So our phenotype will continue to stay as it is.

Say I actually, that's true. I, I think that stress ages people and I think that you sort of get a certain number of units of stress in your life as opposed to years of age. Mm-hmm. So agree with that. Common. A hundred percent agree. Yeah. They see you. Either there's something we haven't had stressful things happen to us, like Simone knows my origin story.

Like I, I've had a. Both of us have had very stressful lives. The answer is whether or not you allow the stress to eat at you or whether or not you choose just to not feel it and, and just move on with things. Well, they say we're either the most chill and laid back people ever, or so incredibly privileged.

We can't even imagine. They, they, they have a guess, of course, that we are so privileged and out of touch that we would never show age because like vampires who feast on the blood of, of the weak, we benefit from, you know, I don't know the, the, the disempowered. More people emphasize that we're, we look like we're in our mid twenties, but we dress like boomers.

And some people think that we are trying to use the fact that we. Like having sex to justify like, I guess that we are prenatal because we need a reason to look intelligent for liking sex enough to have a lot of kids. Can you read the comment? Yeah. They're breeding to save mankind. We all know what kind they are.

Dudes, it's okay to admit you like orgasms. No need to bring it to the future of the human race. Hopefully that's the weirdest thing. I will write all day. Okay, well, so this is really interesting for two front. One is this whole idea of kind like our whole organization. Everything we focus on is on preserving human diversity.

I know that people like us are gonna be okay because we'll make sure they're okay with our own breeding efforts. The only reason we're public about this is cause we want people not like us to also exist in the future. You know, as we often say, if we have just eight kids, which we're definitely gonna have, and they have eight kids, And you do that for just 11 generations or we will, unless something goes majorly wrong, you know, that's more descendants to live honors today.

I'm not worried about people like us in terms of the second point there, which I find really interesting cause it's something to get all the time, is people being like, you have a breeding fetish our kids are produced through ivf so.

That's nonsensical, but it's, I think, a sign as to how depraved our society has become through this sort of ideological mind virus that has infected, you know, urban populations in our society and, and the universities of our society progressivist of more broadly. But there's this specific brand of it that's really just like this virus that eats the way people sees the world, so they're no longer able to consider other ideas.

And. Th they are not able to imagine a reason for a person to do something outside of sexual gratification or it being a portion of their sexual or gender identity to the extent that they're not able to imagine why we would ideologically be interested in continuing the human race. Well, one person I would say has taken both of those arguments that they, that you've made or both of those concepts, but like also completely misinterpreted them.

Okay? So this person says these two are specifically convinced that it's their responsibility to populate the world with their very special genes. And they have plans and I think either contracts or pledges demanded that each of their descendants have at least eight kids for the next 11 generations. I honestly would not.

Be surprised to discover they'd never had sex and did it all through ivf so, well, we didn't do it all through ivf, so they are very right. We do not have any sort of contractor pledge like that or anything. It's more just I, I think if you look at the, the, the groups that are high fertility in the face of prosperity, they are often groups with distinct and defined cultures, which we have.

I mean, that's what makes us cringe because we're different from mainstream society. We go against that. And in addition to that that they are able to pitch to their kids. The, the way that their culture is different, one of which for us is having a lot of kids is a better way to be than what the sort of mainstream social pressures are selling you.

And if we can't make that pitch, then our kids will go off with regular society or they'll try to outdo us by creating something better, both of which are things we encourage. You know, you get 18 years to make a pitch to your kids to follow. In your cultural footsteps or that the way that you're doing things is a good way to do things.

If you fail to make that pitch, then your kids should be doing something different. Unless they've been in some way, you know, converted, using shady tactics like bullying or threats or like, you can't get a job unless you publicly express these views or stuff like that. I mean, that's the way that much of the world used to Deconvert Jewish populations, which is why like the crypto Jews were the only rural Jews to exist in like Spain and stuff like that.

It's, it's very effective when you tell someone, oh, you can't get a job if you hold a specific, you know, belief system or. You can't. Side note though, crypto Jews needs to be like a new, like, sorry, we, I just No, I know. No, no. But like uneducated might think we mean Jews who are into crypto. I know Crypto Jews was a faction of Jews.

It was a rural population of Jews that lived in Spain during like the 18 hundreds. And a portion of them migrated to the Americas and they exist in Low percentages, but it's a, a fairly unique Jewish culture that exists in the countryside, was in Mexico today, and it's however, the book pragmatist guy to crafting religion, if you're interested in like rare religious denominations,

So they also comment on our children. They refer to our choice to name our youngest daughter, our first daughter Titan Invictus, that name, which is awesome.

They say, I'm rolling my eyes as hard as I can right now. Another person says, I'm sorry, Titan Invictus. Are they breeding elite children or super villains? This is the Harvard law version of Naming Your Kid, Coachella, Harambe, which. I love that. I agree. Well, so it really is so dear I super villains who doesn't want you know, like out of, out of all of our children, if we had one real super villain, that'd be a lot of fun.

But in addition to that, why we name our kids something different. One, it's our cultural heritage. Like we do often say we're secular Calvinist, we come from Calvinist tradition and no attempt determinism has always been a tradition. That's why you get a lot of names in Calvinist culture like, Chastity or purity or, or increase?

Increase Mathers or incre. You know, so you, you, you, yeah. It's just a tradition thing and so we try to name our kids things that align with our values. Another great comment that I quite enjoy is that article should have been titled, rich People Are F*****g Tone Deaf. You all know it, but here are some more examples, which is great.

I like that. That's a good joke. Yeah. It follows our, our, our thing on humor, which is humor is one of those things. The, the is unexpected, but it makes sense when you considered it in context and Yeah. But we're not actually that rich, so I love that. That's the one thing that no one ever questions though.

Yeah. They're like, they question our motives. They think that we think our, our genes are superior, which we don't. They think that we are eugenicists, which we aren't. They think all these things, the one thing they will never question is that we are wealthy. One of my favorites was, it's one. I've looked into it.

I don't even think they're billionaires. You think? Exactly. Ok. You think guys, detective. Yeah. Or Detective Duffey that, sir, that's the meme. Continue. People are again, so disturbed by our choice to name our daughter Titan Invictus. One person says, ignoring the thinking Titan Invictus is in any way suitable name for a child and not an invitation to bully the s**t out of them.

Her daughter, I'd have almost understood if they inflicted that on a boy. But in what warped Hapsburg world do you chain that millstone to a girl? They also note that her name should be Titania and Victor. The, which we, we know we specifically named her male names, which we do with all of the girls in our family.

You could read our book for why we do that. I mean, it, it does lead to. Higher income, statistically speaking, lower levels of psychological illnesses and stuff like that. Like there's a manif, a ton of reasons, but also we don't like if you talk about the ways our culture is different from other cultures, people are like, people will bully them.

It's like I was bullied as a kid. You were bullied as a kid. You want to some extent if you are different from mainstream society for your kids to undergo some level of bullying so they know the type of person they don't want to be like, or as one of the commenters put it, they wanted to avoid something effeminate.

So they picked a seventies male porn star name. Yes. Tightened is the seventies male porn star name. I guess I don't watch enough porn. I'm not, no. Maybe it just sounds like that. But they also point out that quote, it's a f*****g font unquote, but that's okay. Font names are crazy. Is it a font? Hold on.

You mentioned this before and I'm gonna look this up. Yeah. That's a, a recurring joke in this thread is that Titan Invictus. Is a font, which I, it's definitely not a fault. It, it would actually be fun about our kids if all of our if someone had a family of children that was just font names. Because honestly I say Vitus is a font and Titan is a font.

Let's see. This is, so one person says, this is so ridiculously cringe.

They watched idiocy and took the premise from the prologue at face value and decided they did not want to be the couple who waited too long. And for some reason, the richest man in the galaxy is for telling population collapse. Like a cold reader with a crystal ball absolutely abominable, even for the telegraph.

I, you know, we've actually seen a lot of this people saying that like, We're just re like trying to live out the plot of Idiocracy, which is odd. I mean, first Idiocracy is a movie in which doesn't the, the leader of the, of the known world, like try to appoint the smartest person possible to solve their problems.

Well, I I love how reasonable that is. But no, what they mean by Idiocracy is just the idea that Smart people have less kids, which is just an objective fact of reality today. And that the, the, the secondary belief that some portion of IQ has a hereditary component, which is mainstream academic consensus today, just look up the Wikipedia article on this.

It is, it is not academic consensus that any of this is ethnically linked or anything like that, but that, broadly speaking, there are some genetic correlates to iq. That is just so obvious from the research. And so if people with those genetic correlates are having kids at lower rates and it's not just people with lower IQs, people with those genetic correlates, you can see this in the data IQ would drop in a population overall.

However, that is not what's concerning to us. Like it is something that is like objectively happening in the world, but it is also something that is just disinteresting to us. Because what we're more concerned about is all of the cultures that are dying out and the vastly less diverse world that our children are going to inherit, which doesn't seem to be what anyone thinks.

And I think that's the interesting thing about articles that are. More likely to be shared about our peritus advocacy. They're not at all about that. They're not about prenatal attitude. Hard can't spark views about that because it's something that's obviously happening and nobody wants to take a stance against it.

Yeah. What, what instead get shared is anything that insinuates. These people think that they're superior somehow. Look at them, they're trying to reproduce how disgusting. And then everyone just jumps on it because it's so delicious. Which is more of what we're getting. If they say, one person says, if they're so scientific and into eugenics, they would have at least done some testing and measurements to prove their genes are that good.

It seems like they're just sitting on ignorance, peak of the intellect curve. Quote, I can't imagine someone smarter than me, so I must be the smartest. If someone had at least proven they had greater immunity, intelligence, healing, and lack of genetic diseases than almost anyone else. Eugenics would still suck, but at least they would have a reason that it should be them.

So, I don't know. Interesting. Yeah. That people look at what we're doing and they think that in some way we think we're better than other people. Yeah. We're, we are broadcasting the idea that more people need to have more kids. Because we don't just want our descendants in the future because we think the world would be lesser if it's just people like us and we are editing our DNA like we are, well, not editing, but like, you know, selecting based on, on, on genomes the embryos that we choose to use, in part because we don't think our jeans are perfect.

Like we wouldn't be doing all this if we thought we had great jeans. Yeah, it's very confusing. Like I, it requires no intellectual engagement with anything we've put out there, but continue well, one end, there's a compliment. One person says, I thought this was the guy from the Kingsman movies, which is, ah, but then, you know, a lot of people are very insulted that someone would ever.

Ever imply that because we are evil and disgusting, so what is that? Oh yeah, of course. Yeah. Cause we're not, we're not on board with there complete. Like, this is what's true in the world today. If you say anything else, then you are evil. That's what the virus says. A lot of people are saying that we are self-proclaimed elites, which is interesting because we didn't, we didn't call ourselves Yahoo News was the one who actually first used that term.

I really like this one comment, house Hunters Arian edition. She's a lesbian muse for Philadelphia's worst beat poet. He looked, he booked a LensCrafter spot eight years ago and turned it into his whole personality. Their budget is 4.7 million. I love, glasses are like our thing. Like, yeah. No, there seems to be a correlation.

I noticed there's a lot in online comments. Between lens thickness. Both of us are wearing really thick lens or not, sorry, not lens frame thickness. So we're wearing thick framed glasses in, in the picture, and people seem to think that that correlates with lens strength, even though I don't technically even need to wear glasses.

Which is interesting. I think they're not familiar why you wear glasses. I wear glasses because research has indicated that while glasses make you seem less attractive and approachable, they make you seem more smart and competent. And I would much rather be seen as smart and competent than attractive and approachable.

So if, if you're gonna live in a prejudice society, you may as well twist it to your advantage. Yes. Yeah. A couple people have commented on wealthy people supposedly thinking that wealth is a genetic trait in conflating that. I don't know why Earning, earning potential is a genetic trait. You can even, that's the thing, a picture of it from like your Nebula score.

Yeah. That like literally if, if you log onto Nebula and like you do a full sequence, you, you can literally see a polygenic risk score for your earning potential. Yeah. People have done that correlate before. It's, it's very genetic. Yeah. So not that interesting. Again, not that we are breeding because.

We're trying to increase our traits in the future. Yeah. Another person says, we look like gender swapped versions of the same person, which ties into the already floated online theory that we are just the same person. That's my favorite conspiracy theory about it. Cosplaying is the other person, same person.

Cosplaying is the other person. You're same person co playing as the other one. That's why, like we're not in the same room in these clips. Well, yeah, because, you know, I have to like record this again and again. It's. It's very difficult. I honestly think that, you know, we should get credit for that. I'd be very impressed if somebody pulled that off.

One person guarantees we get divorced within two years, so start the timer. People let's, you know, put out a prediction market. Put some money on this. It's simply not true. I kick rude if you wanted to divorce me. You don't know how much, how much of my life I have outsourced to her. And, and it u though we kind of really need each other.

No, but Simon, I would, I would be really boned, so please don't, don't die. One person says that we look like Rain Wilson until the Swinton bumping Ugl to compensate for the overpopulation of stupid people. Yeah. What does, what does Rain Wilson look like? I know until the, oh, he's white. Dwight from yeah, right from the office.

Oh my God. Tilda Swinton looks like my mother, so I see it. I, I can see if like, I look like you look, kinda, look like Hildas Entin, but my mother looks more like til attractive when she was younger. Let's see. Tilda Swinton. Young man. Tilda Swinton. Tilda Swinton's. Like she's, she's all right. I, I'll take it.

Tilda, that's a teenager. Looks a lot like you. Oh, really? Stractive sweet. Okay. So I'll take that. You get Kingsman that good when you're that age. Yeah. And I get tilted. I don't think I look like Dwight at all. No, you don't. But someone also thought you were the Kingsman, so like, you know, that's, you get that and I get Tilda Swinton.

That's exciting. Mm-hmm. People continue to call us eugenics or eugenicists, so let's just. Let's be clear. When Wikipedia defines eugenics, it has sort of two core components. One of those components is. Those practicing eugenics have concluded that there are some traits that are universally good in some way, universally desirable or not desirable.

And then the second element is that they in some coercive way, are trying to impose Proliferation of that good trait or elimination of that bad trait. Divorce, if it could be through money. Like maybe they give people money for people who have those traits of breeding. Mm-hmm. Both of those things are antithetical to everything our movements stands for.

Exactly. We believe some. Cultures believe that certain genetic traits are better than others, and within our family unit we may select some, but what we like is that the, the utility of this genetic technology will allow for new forms of humanity and iterations of human diversity to emerge based on cultural preferences, which is what is so exciting.

And in addition to that, everything we do is fighting against any of this technology ever being used in a coercive manner. We do fight to make the technology cheaper for people to use so that it's not only available to like the wealthy, but Yeah. All of that is just so we're like anti angiogenesis is it's what I, what I call our position because it's, it's one of those things where people are like, oh, you're on a.

A soccer field, you must be on the red team. And it's like, no, we're on the blue team. Like, yes, we're both on the same soccer field, but we're literally on opposite teams. Yes, we're on the same soccer field in that we admit that humans have genes and that those genes affect things like a person's sociological profile.

But I think that's just admitting like mainstream science at this point. Yeah. But, you know, that's, that's But don't say humans have genes. Oh my gosh. Hmm. No, no. I mean, I think that's, they can't, they can't possibly affect any, the, once humans developed consciousness, a bubble formed around our brains and no longer do genes matter.

Actually, this is a, a side note where I often say here that it's, it's really interesting that that we pointed this out in our, in our tweet thread. That it is very racist to say that the genes that are differ between human psychological profiles can only change over very long periods of time, like a hundred thousand years or something like that.

Because that is the time spann upon which like the superficial ethnic differences that we recognize and like classify people into different ethnic groups differentiated. So that would mean that there were like persistent mental differences between ethnic groups. Whereas if you believe like we do and like the science suggests that these psychologically linked or sociologically linked genetic markers change over the span of a hundred years or 200 years pretty dramatically, then there would be no meaningful ethnic grouping of them.

Which is weird that these people think they're arguing against a racist position, but the position they're arguing so long as you believe in evolution is a very racist position to argue. One person says, Batman's parents died for looking like that, which I love. Can I? Yes. I love the You wanna be Batman's?

I don't have pearls on. I need pearls on. I know. That's the big problem is I need, I need the pearls and then we'll make it work. We'll make it work. Multiple people are All comparing you to Carl from up, which I think, do you wanna look like that? Are they saying that our, no, it's the square glasses. You know, the, the old guy from, from PE Perry Squareish or rectangular glasses.

Oh, one person calls you budget Kingsman again, I guess. But I think maybe, and this is interesting that the only like contemporary, like. Example we have of someone who wears a suit is the movie Kingsman, which is, yeah, that's really surprising. I'm not like wearing in this picture. I'm not like wearing something.

Oh, you know what suit? Maybe it's a chunky jeans. It's chunky glasses and a tie. And if like the only other place where people have seen chunky glasses and a tie there's, there's that they only put on the suit because the photographer asked me to. I was wearing a a t-shirt before that. Yeah. Yeah. She wanted a, yeah, she wanted the top of that.

I feel like it's very awkward too when photographers come to our house because then they, you know, Post the, the photos on social media or whatever. And a lot of people comment on how like, oh, the photos look great, but how disturbing, I can't believe you were in the house of these Nazi eugenicists.

What was it like? And I feel like whenever photographers come to our house, you know, we're like chatting and having fun and like it's all good. And then like they come home and some article comes out and then a bunch of people are like, oh my God, I can't believe, like, what was it like? And they're like, oh.

It was something, you know, like they can't say like, nah, these were like that. Actually, the broader thing about our ideology is I often find that whenever somebody like sits down and talks to us about it, they almost always agree with like 98 to a hundred percent of it. But they'll either say, well, you guys are right, but I can't say this publicly.

Or they're just like, oh yeah, I thought you believed something totally different. And it's like, Maybe Twitter isn't a great source. We say that that's like getting your news from news sources. It's like getting your nutrients from a human centipede.

Is there any other, wait, some? Yeah. Someone apparently who knew us posted in this thread. So really one person, one person wrote, I know these two.dot groan. Oh, who could it be? And then one person said, oh God, I turned off my notifi notifications because duh. And I was scrolling and I saw this. Anything you can tell us can you see Many people have recurring comments.

This person says, Not really. They're really nice people as it happens, and they are very successful in what they do. They're self-made with fingers and a lot of pies. They're both super eccentric in a nice way, and whilst I was a bit cringed to see them flouting their fertility all over the papers, I'm not entirely surprised.

I met them a couple of years ago at a social event. They're a high performing couple who are very bright with lots of talent. Good luck to them. I say just that's a really, that is us, and this is what I say when people meet us, they're like, oh, actually you guys are really, your beliefs are eccentric, but not like, it's more the way that we word them as eccentric because we point out things that other people should be noticing, but they don't like the fact that we as a species haven't figured out how to make any culture prosperous.

Gender egalitarian and high end education and above fertility rate, like anywhere close to replacement rate fertility. That means that like this whole society we aspire to is a bit of a con job that only works because it siphons people from other groups and it's like, well, we're getting close to the point where the pyramid scheme's about to break.

We should be paying attention to this, but you can't call out the emperor having no clothes, you know, because the emperors Taylors are the ones who run society right now. What people say to people.

Hi to him saying that we were nice people. Did it have any comic under it? Yeah, no. The, the, the, the responses, the, the person was like, well, I, I can't believe they signed off on the, the language that the Telegraph article used about them, which is not how it works. You don't get to choose what people about you randomly.

People randomly reach out to us and they say, I'm covering demographic collapse, or uncovering repro or prenatal, or whatever it is that we care about. And we are very open and transparent with everyone because we believe that. If it's a balanced article, then at, at the very least, people will learn more about an issue we care about.

If it's not a balanced article, hopefully we can share enough of our views where people will share it out of rage. But then reasonable people with good, you know, reading comprehension and sound minds will ultimately see, oh, this is. A reasonable kind of important issue. And so we're still better off sharing it.

But what happens is journalists talk with us. Either they come in person or they call us. We, we are very open and honest with them, and then they go dark, and for weeks we have no idea what's going to happen. And then one day, Someone texts us or we get a Google alert or someone starts like, tweeting a bunch of hate at us, and we're like, well, okay, I guess some new article's out and then we see for the first time what happens.

And that's it. That's it. We, we have no control over this. There's no signing off on it. There is no, we insist on being called Elite or breeders. You know, these are actually pretty dehumanizing. Tur. Yeah. No, we don't go out there saying, we're. Super. We're an elite super breeders. Yeah, that's uhs kinda kinda gross, but I like that, use that title.

It did very well in the, in the, yeah. No, I mean, I, I thought it was funny. I, I, I mean it, I think it's very funny. But that's, say the best kinda article is one was a dishonest or sensational title, but honest reporting and the telegraph. Article was very honest about our actual beliefs. I was really impressed with it because that gives both sides of an online fight, the chance to argue about you.

You know, the uneducated side that just reads the title, and then the educated side that reads the full article and then you get this battle. Unfortunately, the educated side is always gonna be smaller. But that doesn't matter. I mean, at least, at least the ideas are getting out there. Because if you look at the articles about us, yes, they're proliferating, but you look at the ideas that we're putting out there, Hey, you need to start paying attention to fertility rates.

Those are gaining enough attention that the UN recently put out a big thing saying stop fretting about fertility. Yeah. Stop worrying about fertility rates and start focusing on environmentalism, immigration and gender equality. And it's like, oh, well, UN's gonna un, but if we're getting under their skin, that's a good thing because nobody was talking about this issue a year ago before we started doing the rounds on it.

And I'm kinda excited. I I, I actually really like when Really unflattering stuff about us gets posted that makes other people wanna cover us. Because what happens is then like other journalists reach out because they want to cover the s**t show and the cringe. And then they get on the phone and they, you actually have a chance to speak with them.

And there have been multiple calls where I'm just like sitting there laughing because you're going through what we actually advocate for and what we're talking about. And like, I just remember that you were on the, on the phone with one woman with a TV station and just her being like, Oh God. Oh God.

Like just, no, just going over the numbers. And she's like, oh God, oh God. Like, is that true? Can you check that? And then they're like, oh no, the numbers aren't really that bad. Yeah. Like, oh, I, I never thought of that. Like, so, and, and that's what, that's, that's what really the reward is for us, is we get a ton of hate.

We look like complete idiots online. And then in the end, a lot of very influential people who are able to share really important information with a lot of audiences. For totally the wrong reason, engage with us, but then end up learning about an an advocacy issue that is actually a really big deal. And so, oh, that's always my favorite thing when somebody hates us.

Mm-hmm. And then later I see them supporting us. Yeah. Because that's how I know that we really got to somebody. We always call that ala in, but she does such a good job at that and I really admire her ability to do that. It's very easy to be a. Social media person or a public figure that people support because you're saying things they already believe.

Mm-hmm. You're not really doing anything if you're doing that. You're just surfing a wave of public sentiment. However, if you are a public media figure, like Alan, that's one of the reasons I, I respect you so much, where people start by following you because they don't agree with you, or they think they don't agree with you, and then they hear your perspective more.

They engage with you more and they change their beliefs based on that. Mm-hmm. Very, very few public media figures are able to surf waves that they create themselves. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Well, and to, to change views. Yeah. And most people rise and become leaders because they represent a zeitgeist that's growing.

It's very, very hard to come across people. Yeah. Well, and then what you really wanna do, I mean, I think, I think when we know we've really made it is when we have people surfing our wake. When we are the motorboat and the waves that we are creating are the waves that other people are surfing. Anyway.

Simon, I just to close this out, I am so lucky to be married to you because I wouldn't be able to do this on my own. Going out there, you know, I, you have the superpower of autism, which to some extent protects you from all of this. Hate. If I didn't have you filtering this from me, if I didn't have your constant support I, I, Emotionally, mentally, I'd not be able to deal with this, and I can't tell you how much every day.

I am grateful and I know that all of my success comes from you. That is. So kind and so not true because you are the beating heart that makes all this run, and I love you so freaking much. You are the spark in our whole household. And yeah, none of this would be happening word not for you because I lack the creativity and initiative and ability to think things through to actually engage in things.

You put yourself down, you have all of those things, and you know you have all of those things. You can just say, I have creativity. And you feast on it. I do. Feast on your creativity. Yes. Speaking of feasting, we need to start dinner and get the kids, so I will see you soon.

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