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The Kainos Podcast

How Reality Learns with Nora Bateson

Nov 15, 2023
Nora Bateson, founder of the International Bateson Institute, discusses systems change and systems learning. They explore the influence of language and culture on perception and the importance of expanding perception and embracing change. They also discuss creating a sustainable and kinder world and the difference between implicit and explicit knowing.
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Quick takeaways

  • Systems learning involves understanding how a system itself learns to be in the world, emphasizing relational processes and contextual factors.
  • By developing sensory awareness and embracing embodied experiences, we can foster new ways of knowing and perceive the interconnectedness of contexts.

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Nora Bateson's work on systems learning and complexity

In this podcast episode, the host interviews Nora Bateson, the founder and president of the International Bateson Institute and a leading voice in the study of systems and systems change. They discuss how to improve our perception of the complexity we live within, highlighting the concept of systems learning. Bateson's new book, Combining, is also discussed, which explores systems theory, poetry, art, and the implicit knowing involved in grappling with complexity. The conversation emphasizes the importance of embracing interdependence, understanding issues at multiple levels, and challenging conventional fixes for our problems.

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