The Presence of Religion within the Psychoanalytic Dyad with Nathan Szajnberg, MD (Palo Alto)

Sep 17, 2023

Nathan Szajnberg, MD discusses the connection between mourning and creativity, influenced by his parents' losses in the Holocaust. He explores the role of religion in psychoanalysis, similarities between Maimonides and Freud, and the importance of hidden meanings in religious practices. The link between mourning and creative expression is also examined.

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Introduction

00:00 • 3min

Religion in Psychoanalysis

02:37 • 23min

The Significance of Body and Behavior in Religious Practices

25:58 • 2min

Exploring the Hidden: Maimonides, Freud, and the Layers of Meaning

28:01 • 6min

The Link Between Mourning and Creativity

33:49 • 4min

The Life and Challenges of Maimonides

37:51 • 2min

Religion and Psychoanalysis

39:33 • 13min

"We know as analysts there’s a long literature on mourning and its connection to creativity from the time of Freud’s work to George Pollock's work and others - but that's too intellectual; let me make it more personal, and then I'll talk about Freud and Maimonides. My father and my mother lost a combination of 10 siblings and a granddaughter murdered by the Nazis, plus their parents and aunts and uncles. I've heard stories about their siblings and I think: ‘Look what they would have done, what they would have created not just families but ideas’, and I realized in my analysis that for years I have been trying to make up, by writing books, what would have been done by the aunts, uncles, and cousins that I never knew because they were murdered. So creativity can have a reparative, never enough perhaps, but a reparative quality.”

Episode Description: I introduce the topic of the not fully acknowledged role of religion in the lives of analysts and analysands, which will be explored in future conversations. Nathan begins by sharing his personal connection with his religion, which he feels does not involve a belief in a God. He describes how his relation to his Judaism, like his essence as an analyst, entails an attunement to an inner life, a commitment to proper behavior, and a search for hidden meanings. He describes his family of origin and their almost complete annihilation in the Holocaust. We discuss the similarities he feels exists between Maimonides and Freud, the importance of mourning in their creative processes, and the great attention to 'the word' that both worldviews exhibit. We also take up whether 'belief' is an appropriate term to characterize one's psychoanalytic clinical work. We close with his sharing clinical examples where religion played an important role in the treatment.

Linked Episode: https://harveyschwartzmd.com/2021/04/23/ep-6-how-to-raise-loving-and-creative-30-year-old/

Our Guest:

Nathan Szajnberg, MD, is Retired Freud Professor, the Hebrew University and former Wallerstein Research Fellow in Psychoanalysis. Born in Germany, he attended the University of Chicago College and Medical School. His most recent books are Psychic Mimesis from Bible and Homer to the Present (Lexington) and The Secret Symmetry of Maimonides and Freud (Routledge). His third novel is A Windmill, A Knight, A Jerusalem.