Pastors Podcast Identity Rooted in the Secret Place (Not in Public Affirmation) | Season 9 Episode 6
Dec 8, 2025
Kalley Heiligenthal, a worship leader and pastor known for her creativity and deep faith, shares insights on authentic ministry. She emphasizes the importance of finding joy in private communion with God rather than seeking public affirmation. Kalley discusses the struggles of creatives in today's visibility culture and encourages leading with humility. She also highlights the significance of prioritizing the congregation's encounter with God in worship and nurturing spiritual maturity in creatives, urging leaders to invest in long-term growth.
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Enough Before God's Ears
- Kalley warns against equating significance with visibility or virality in creative work.
- She says a creative offering heard first by God can be enough even if it never multiplies publicly.
Bring Your Offering To God First
- Do bring your creative offering to the Lord first and assess if that satisfies your heart.
- If it doesn't satisfy, re-evaluate your motives before seeking public affirmation.
South Africa Morning Revelation
- Kalley recounts waking on tour in South Africa overwhelmed by God's presence and instinctively trying to write choruses.
- God told her he only wanted someone to sit, listen, and keep his heart in secret, not to export it immediately.