On our final episode of the season, we were thrilled to interview another AAPI mom duo, who host a podcast named "Not a Tiger Mom Podcast." We have been wanting to bring on AAPI moms who identify as neurodivergent or are raising neurodivergent children, and both of these moms identify as neurodivergent themselves AND are raising autistic children AND work with neurodivergent children in their careers (behavioral analyst and speech therapist)!

Jenny Lai, MA, BCBA and Bettina Lopez-Lam, MS, CCC-SLP, IBCLC, are the amazing duo behind Not a Tiger Mom Podcast. Jenny is Chinese-Cambodian American, and Bettina is Filipino American and they met on Instagram in 2023 through their shared experiences of raising autistic sons. Bettina is a late-diagnosed autistic and ADHD (AuDHD) individual, a survivor of childhood sexual abuse and birth trauma, and has navigated postpartum depression and anxiety. Jenny is self-diagnosed with ADHD, identifies with highly sensitive person (HSP) traits, and has a clinical history of anxiety and depression.

In 2024, they launched the Not a Tiger Mom Podcast, where they speak candidly about their lives as neurodivergent AAPI mothers raising autistic children. Through heartfelt and relatable conversations, they aim to break cultural stigma and encourage others in the community to find connection, healing, and acceptance.

On our podcast episode today, we discuss:

The journey of how Jenny and Bettina discovered they were neurodivergent themselves (both found out later in life)
How being neurodivergent may have impacted Jenny and Bettina's postpartum experience
The experience of getting autism diagnoses for their kids and how it affected their mental healths
The importance of using neurodivergent-affirming language
How being AAPI adds another layer to being neurodivergent and raising neurodivergent children
The importance of having neurodivergent-identifying providers such as Jenny and Bettina in the space of support for neurodivergent kids
The controversy behind traditional ABA (Applied Behavior Analysis) therapy versus neuro-affirming ABA therapy.
Addressing the harmful comments and misrepresentation of the autistic community

We encourage those who want to learn more about Jenny and Bettina's journeys to check out their pages and podcast!

Find more of Jenny and Bettina:

Not a Tiger Mom Podcast
Jenny's Instagram: @msjennybx
Bettina's Instagram: @beeingaudhd
NATM Instagram: @notatigermompodcast

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