
Payments on Fire™ Episode 237 - Is Orchestration the New Normal In Payment Operations? A conversation with John Lunn, Gr4vy
Apr 24, 2024
John Lunn, Founder and CEO of Gr4vy, discusses the evolving landscape of payment orchestration. He emphasizes that every merchant builds their own orchestration-like systems, highlighting the need for reusable platforms. The conversation shifts to how orchestration empowers merchants, boosts operational efficiency, and enhances customer experiences. Lunn also explores the challenges of regulatory variances in global markets and shares insights on AI's future role in payment processes, advocating for a cautious approach that prioritizes transparency and merchant control.
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Most Merchants Already Orchestrate Payments
- Many merchants already build custom orchestration-like systems over time without naming it orchestration.
- John Lunn argues merchants duplicate effort and would benefit from a shared orchestration platform.
Use Orchestration To Drive Merchant Control
- Evaluate orchestration to regain control and speed to market rather than depending on single PSP feature sets.
- Use orchestration to access new scheme features and negotiate better pricing across providers.
Engineers Thanked The Orchestration Team
- John recounts engineers thanking Gr4vy because they joined to write games, not payment systems.
- That story illustrates how orchestration frees engineering teams from payment maintenance burdens.

