Donald Trump was indicted on Monday for the fourth time since he left office. But this sweeping case, which zeroes in on Trump’s efforts to overturn the 2020 election in Georgia, is different from the other criminal cases brought against him in New York, Florida and Washington, DC. Most notably: the former president has been charged under racketeering laws often associated with efforts to prosecute mobsters. And some of Trump’s closest aides are also charged in the 41-count indictment, including his former lawyer Rudy Giuliani and former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows, along with 16 other people.

Bloomberg’s Zoe Tillman and Erik Larson join this episode to talk about how the case will unfold from here–and why Trump will have a harder time securing a pardon–or avoiding prison–if he’s convicted.

Read more: Trump’s Fourth Indictment: Five Ways Georgia Is Different

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