National Party leader Christopher Luxon has been talking about a social investment policy.
It's an area that he has pinpointed as a priority and he's put his deputy Nicola Willis in charge.
It's an idea that Sir Bill English championed when he was in office.
In a nutshell, it was to invest in children and families who were clearly going to become problems later on and break the cycle.
Invest early and save the taxpayer money in the end.
Chief Executive of Frank Advice and co-founder and Director at Impact Lab Emily Mason joined Kerre McIvor.
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