Luke O’Neil’s Hell World newsletter collects stories and transmissions from the darker corners of modern American life, which at this point seems like every fucking corner, to be honest. In this conversation, he talks about his latest book, Lockdown in Hell World, which takes us on a detailed journey into the madness of the COVID-19 year, including despairing over our “last normal day,” watching Bernie eat shit in the primaries, and powerlessly watching the nation devolve into biological barbarism. Along the way, we try to understand how the “good ones” (you know, us) might be able to take the world back from hell.