The Catholic Man Show Judas never to have been born?, Suffering, Virtue, Purgatory, Integral Good, and Aliens with Fr. Bonaventure Chapman, O.P.
This week we welcome Fr. Bonaventure Chapman, O.P. into the studio because we got some questions...
In this episode we discuss:
- What is longanimity?
- Would it have been better for Judas to never have been born?
- Virtue
- Can people in purgatory pray for us?
- Should we watch movies that have non-simulated sins in them?
- And of course... aliens
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Intro: [00:00:00] Cheers. Cheers. Did you click it and have it work? Sort of an oaky afterbirth. What was that? She did tell me to get a beer and some cheese fries over at Eskimo Joe's. That's very nice, lovely. I only hope you feel this way when I'm done. Because I could destroy this night in two seconds. Why is that funny?
Well, I think it's a bit funny to be trying to define nothing. Smooth as a bourbon on a summer day. Strong as a peated scotch in the winter night. This is a fair warning. The Catholic Man Show is about to begin. Slap some bacon on a biscuit and let's go! We're burning daylight! Welcome to the Catholic Man Show, we're on the [00:01:00] Lord's team, the winning side, so raise your glass.
Adam
Adam Minihan: and Anne here, sitting with David Niles in studio, Juan is still not here, as we mentioned last week. Be moved. So he abandoned us, so he won't be here very often, but we have our good friend, father Bonaventure Chapman, Dominican friar, priest of God from up in Washington DC area. That's it. Coming back.
We did two, we did two episodes with you last, last, last time you were here. We also done
Fr. Bonaventure Chapman: SCOTUS and I think art.
Adam Minihan: Art. Yes. And so it's great to have you back. for, thanks for like sorry, I'm fourth to record with us today.
Fr. Bonaventure Chapman: Oh, it's delightful. It's a, I love Oklahoma. It's always nice to visit Tulsa.
Friendly people. It's different than the Washington D. C. kind of east coast people. So they're, yeah.
David Niles: Thank you. Friendly. Thank you.
Fr. Bonaventure Chapman: That was a huge compliment for us. Yeah, down to earth.
David Niles: I mean, I'm sure that there are some good people. Wonderful people. In D. C.
Fr. Bonaventure Chapman: I didn't say there were. Yeah, I didn't say there weren't.
[00:02:00] I just said they're not good. Yeah. You know, it's like. No, they're just different. They're, look, I'll put it this way. They're not from Connecticut. That's it. The New Englanders are a whole different bag. Now, this is all tongue in cheek, but that's fair enough. Yeah, but yeah, just it's refreshing to actually be with ordinary people sometimes because in DC you just, and you're in
David Niles: city living.
You meant good looking, I think. That's probably what you meant, but keep going. It's all right.
Fr. Bonaventure Chapman: Yeah, fair enough. Yeah, fair enough. My humility
David Niles: doesn't want to interrupt you.
Fr. Bonaventure Chapman: Yeah, you're doing great. Yeah, I mean, there's there's a lot of guns out here. There's a lot of guns in here. Yeah, so, you know,
David Niles: here we go.
Fr. Bonaventure Chapman: Here we are.
David Niles: Guns are almost like currency around here. No, ammo. Ammos, Ammos definitely. Ammos guarantee, yeah.
Adam Minihan: So hey guys, we're drinking a Jebsons Bourbon Cask Strength. My mother in law got this for me. It is a bourbon that you can only get in the distillery up in Chicago, Illinois. So it's, it's cask strength.
Like I said, it's like, see, almost 65 percent ABV. It is very strong. So we will drink [00:03:00] it very slowly in moderation. Well, we're on the Lord's team. Cheers. Winning side. So raise your glass.
David Niles: Cheers to Jesus.
Adam Minihan: Cheers.
David Niles: It drinks to me like a standard bourbon, like, this is just, this is, this is like, to me it's like, kind of gives you a pow in the face.
Well, yeah, it is, like you said, it's, it's strong, it's strong, but the flavors that are there, it's like, yep, that is like classic bourbon.
Fr. Bonaventure Chapman: It's got heavy spice it seems that in the back, kind of swings around so yeah, it's got a lot of movement, it seems, that, I don't know how to describe bourbon bourbon.
But if I were to describe Bourbon. Yes. I would say this has a lot of movement and a lot of spice. Ooh. And I have, I mean, that's, that's probably a horrible way to say it, but that's.
David Niles: I like that. I need more movement in my life.
Fr. Bonaventure Chapman: Yeah. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Yeah. Chicago. That's great. My, my my grandfather, my mother was born in Chicago.
My grandfather went to med school in Chicago. My brother did his residency pain fellowship at Rush in Chicago. So I love that. That's a great [00:04:00] city. That's how I really. Doing a pain, did you say a
David Niles: pain?
Fr. Bonaventure Chapman: Pain
David Niles: fellowship, yeah. That's there's a lot of, there's a lot of work there, there's a lot of like, funny stuff you can work with.
There is, yeah,
Fr. Bonaventure Chapman: yeah. He's a specialist in pain surgery, and he was the 101st airborne flight surgeon, Afghanistan, two tours, and then finished residency, and now he's head of anesthesiology. Pain, now he's in charge of pain, yeah. Yep, in charge of pain fellows. So,
Adam Minihan: You, you're one of the many, a couple hosts of Godsplaining.
Oh, yeah. There's five of us. Yep. Yep. That's right. So what are you what's been going on over there?
Fr. Bonaventure Chapman: Well, we've got a taping coming up. We've got some retreats. We're doing a, we just got back this started this year doing two person kind of prudent companion retreats. So Dominicans have this. You don't go out.
We follow Guston's rule. And Guston always says, whenever you go out, make sure you go. with two or three. I didn't do that in this case, but I guess because you two are prudently companionable already. Yeah. Yeah. This is going really good so far. I'm here [00:05:00] to praise you, not to bury you. And so we started doing, going out to different different parishes and different things would say to Dominicans from the God's point, and we'll do.
Talk and then we'll do like a little episode, live episode, kind of break stuff as opposed to like a Q and a type of thing. And it seems to work out well, it's like a live audience, you could say. So it's just with father Gregory pine out in Columbus to do one on the Eucharist on sign and sacrament. We did a day, a day or a day and a half on that, and then we've got a retreat coming up.
In the summer, we're doing the sanctifier by Louis Martinez yep. And then, yeah, I think that's the, the current stuff was, I've been kind of spreading out different retreats, days of recollection, and then this kind of our standard guest explaining, live explaining. I haven't, we haven't done object explaining yet.
That's still my, I'm still pushing for this. Hmm. Where you have you, you have an interview with just an object like a fire extinguisher, and you ask questions to it, and and then you respond as if it has responded. And it hasn't gone well. It like hasn't, has not, no one's bought this yet.
It's a [00:06:00] shame because I think it's, I think it'd be great. I think it'd be really, I'd be fascinated by it. You should
David Niles: start object number one, MAGA hat.
Fr. Bonaventure Chapman: Yeah. Yeah, that'll get some stuff. Yeah, a lot of really
David Niles: good responses, I feel like, from the MAGA hat. yeah.
Fr. Bonaventure Chapman: I mean, I mean, so I remember, I remember when I remember when, when, when that happened.
And I remember watching, so it's 2016 right, and right before, and he's coming to announce his candidacy. Yeah. And I remember seeing, getting, walking down from that plane to announce this, and he's wearing that hat. And I thought That is the dumbest thing and then literally three seconds later. I said wow I'm
Intro: getting one
Fr. Bonaventure Chapman: brilliant Like it's just it's just a simple very simple nice You know clear the guy is nice the guy is good at marketing of what I believe I mean like when you ask what do I want?
I and you said I say I make make America great again like it's who doesn't want who doesn't want
David Niles: America to be great Like hope
Fr. Bonaventure Chapman: and change. I don't know change. I don't [00:07:00] know if I want that You like forward. I don't know if I want that. Make america great again. That was just brilliant. I mean who doesn't want that, you know, I
Adam Minihan: totally agree.
Fr. Bonaventure Chapman: Yeah, that was brilliant
Adam Minihan: Yeah, so tonight we thought because you know david we love having dominicans on on the show. We love being able to Pick your pick your guys's brain cuz it's like this thing you do you like study and preach, right? Yeah, this is like the things that you do.
Fr. Bonaventure Chapman: Yeah, it's not
Adam Minihan: good. I mean too
Fr. Bonaventure Chapman: excited here
Adam Minihan: Like
Fr. Bonaventure Chapman: I keep expectations at a reasonable level on the lower side of things.
Remember, I'm just a philosopher
Adam Minihan: Well, yeah,
Fr. Bonaventure Chapman: that's why I'm not well, I'm not not a theologian.
Adam Minihan: Yeah. Yeah, so we just want to like We just have it we have questions that's too much and so like
Fr. Bonaventure Chapman: Yeah.
Adam Minihan: So can I start? Please. Are you
David Niles: ready to start? Shall we begin? Yeah, I think,
Adam Minihan: I think that'd be
David Niles: great. Should we ring a bell?
Ding ding. Okay. Oh. So, all of our questions for you today [00:08:00] are un, unprepared. Right. We haven't discussed this. So Some of, just like, for clarity, some of our questions you might not have an answer for. Oh yeah. This might be one of them.
Intro: Mm hmm. Yeah,
David Niles: great. Do you have, like, is there a Dominican tradition, Easter tradition or anything?
Like, do you have a favorite Easter thing? Like, what's the best part about being a Dominican? Oh,
Fr. Bonaventure Chapman: that's a great question. Yeah, what is the best, I mean the Pass. Yeah. Jesus,
David Niles: next question. It's tough because Jesus, next question.
Fr. Bonaventure Chapman: Yeah, it's tough because the triduum is the really, and that's not Easter, like the triduum is the best part of being a Dominican, I think.
It's that, those three, those three days getting up to that, I mean we have You know, you do, we start, we usually use we have a 10 embrace service on Wednesday at the house. So I'm at the house studies teach at the Catholic university across the street in school of philosophy. And but I, so I live with 60, 70 brothers a lot of student brothers and assistant student master there.
So I get to be around them and we have a big house. that has a great liturgy [00:09:00] great off choral offices, everything. It's like the, it's, it's a, you know, it's, it's a flagship kind of thing. It's, it's where you'd want your brothers, your Dominicans to be learning because it's, it's just, we can, a lot of our houses have smaller numbers, but the, the big, you know, at the monastery, the kind of the fortress, this is where things get done.
So the liturgies are spectacular for the Triduum. And Dominicans, because we have a, we have a sort of, well, one long, long tradition, but two, a kind of penitential tradition. That we do penance as well in that time. We do celebrations as well, as far as I can tell. We do all things well. Sweet. But most things, yeah, yeah.
Humility, we don't do well. It's actually known
Adam Minihan: worldwide. Humility is known worldwide.
Fr. Bonaventure Chapman: Yeah, that's exactly right. It's the Benedictine's thing that we don't want to, you know, That's theirs, take it off, you know, that's theirs. But you know what, you
David Niles: can have humility. Yeah, it's
Fr. Bonaventure Chapman: fine. You know,
David Niles: yeah, it's fine.
We're going to take coolness.
Fr. Bonaventure Chapman: Yeah. So we take, so, you know, it's that time you're wearing the, you're wearing the kappa. So right now I'm not wearing the black cape, but they're wearing the kappa for the, for the triduum. It's a lot of silence. We have the [00:10:00] veneration of the cross has these beautiful aspects where we, we all get in a row and you, you have to go genuinely, you bow like three times in a row and finally kiss the cross.
So you're, you're all in a row with each other. Doing this in pattern you're just you know stuck in this and also the the early offices my favorite offices of the year are morning prayer on holy saturday and on good friday because the The tabernacle is empty. All the the candles are gone and we've got a big, you know chapel everything just it doesn't feel Right.
There's no water in the In a holy water font. You just go in and everything's, everything's pared down. So all the liturgical chants get clipped, in a sense. It's like nothing finishes. Yeah. And that just brings you into it because the, the liturgy is meant to be the, you know, the work of God, you could say, but it's, it's him doing the work.
Right, and I get a sense of that in the Dominican tradition especially because the liturgies are well worked over so that if you're just there Then you can't but come closer to Christ [00:11:00] Excellent
Adam Minihan: So we're here with Father Bonaventure Chapman Dominican priest And we will be asking him I
Intro: don't know how many more questions we're going to get to How many more do
David Niles: you have in your back pocket?
I don't know I have not counted Alright Alright, we'll
Intro: be right back I forgot about this. I gotta tell my, yeah. I'm telling my answers, that's right, I forgot about this.
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