On this week’s episode of The Waves, Slate Money co-host Emily Peck and Slate senior editor Shannon Palus talk all things #girlboss. They explore how the concept went from being a sought-after status to a ridiculed slogan. Then they dive into the upcoming trial of possible former (and current?) girlboss Elizabeth Holmes and talk about whether potential trial strategies and defenses are sexist.

Recommendations:

Shannon: Jessica Knoll’s 2015 novel, The Luckiest Girl Alive.

Emily: The Cathy comic strip podcast, Aack Cast.

Podcast production by Cheyna Roth with editorial oversight by Susan Matthews and June Thomas.

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The Waves: Did Elizabeth Holmes Kill the Concept of the Girlboss?