Robert Grillo is an activist, author and speaker for all species. He is also the founder and director of Free from Harm, a non profit dedicated to helping end animal exploitation. He founded Slaughter Free Chicago in 2018 which has now grown into the Slaughter Free Network. As a communications professional for over 25 years, Robert once worked on large food industry accounts where he acquired a behind-the-scenes perspective on food branding and marketing. His book, Farm to Fable: The Fictions of Our Animal-Consuming Culture, explores the powerful narratives driving our culture of mass animal consumption. Robert's other published works include contributions to The Humane Hoax, Caged: Top Activists Share Their Wisdom on Effective Animal Advocacy and Circles of Compassion: Connecting Issues of Justice.

In Sentientist Conversations we talk about the most important questions: “what’s real?”, “who matters?” and "how can we make a better world?"

Sentientism answers those questions with "evidence, reason & compassion for all sentient beings." The video of our conversation is ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠here on YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠.

00:00 Clips!

00:55 Welcome

- Free from Harm's "Humane Farmer" transfarmation stories: https://freefromharm.org/humane-farmer/

03:25 Robert's Intro

- Author, speaker, activist

- Free from Harm's mission: "advance a #plantbased food system and challenge the dominance of animal agriculture through bold and innovative grass-roots action."

- Evolving from an on-line resource to "on the ground activism"

05:16 What's Real?

- At 10 yrs old father passed away. Creative, jazz, painting, architecture

- Exploring dad's library... ways of thinking, ethics

- "He was a non-believer - not a spiritual person"

- Mother also non-religious

- Ordinary middle-class upbringing

- "I was definitely an outsider... I didn't really fit in... now I embrace it... causes me to question... being open to new ideas and scepticism... I feel like it's a strength"

- The risks of scepticism spilling over into conspiracism

- "Sometimes it's a small group of people that sense an injustice... that mainstream society doesn't... that's the role of activism... awakening and triggering of popular support to bring justice."

- JW: Why epistemology matters "it's not just a popularity contest..." it's the weight of evidence

- Spirituality / supernatural / transcendent?: "We have so much to deal with here that I don't have time for that stuff... I'm not seeking it out at this point in my life"

12:56 What Matters?

- Experiencing father's suffering and death as a child. "I developed a sense of empathy"

- "I didn't really come into an understanding of the suffering of other animals... until much later in life"

- Emotional (e.g. empathy, care) vs. intellectual (utility, justice, rights) moral influences

- Sympathy, empathy & compassion

17:28 Who Matters?

- The risks of care/empathy in narrowing our moral scope

- "I came to realise what the real conditions were for the animals that suffer in our food system... their suffering was like our suffering."

- Watching documentaries and @mercyforanimals investigative footage

- "Humane, sustainable farming?... empty marketing promises."

28:44 A Better Future?

01:07:30 Follow Robert

- robertgrillo.com

- https://freefromharm.org/

- @Free_from_harm

- @robert_grillo

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Msg 03 - The Building of Divinity into Humanity and of Humanity into Divinity for the Producing of a Mutual Abode—the New Jerusalem