On this episode of Mature Me: On the Move, Rich sits down with JJ—husband, preacher, and pastor of Journey Church in Orlando—for a conversation about calling, character, and learning to lead through both clarity and cost.JJ doesn’t just talk about faith—he’s lived it.He shares the story of losing his son, planting a church through grief, and how that journey reshaped his understanding of trust, purpose, and the voice of God.They talk through how he prepares to preach, the art of communication, and how creativity and illustration can carry truth in a way people can truly receive it—without ever watering it down.More than anything, JJ reminds us that who we are always speaks louder than what we say.This one’s for the leaders, the pastors, the preachers…for anyone learning to lead while carrying the full weight of the call.Final episode before VOUSCon. 🔗 Don’t miss it.